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Time:
11:01 EST/16:01 GMT | News Source:
The Register |
Posted By: Chris Hedlund |
Analysis In rejecting Microsoft's appeal this week a European court has dealt a significant setback to Redmond's attempts to mount an attack on competitors based on intellectual property litigation.
The decision by Judge Bo Vesterdorf at the European Court of the First Instance reveals for the first time many of the legal arguments that were made behind closed doors this year. The parts that interest us here are the decision itself, which rejects the idea that communication protocols are any kind of "trade secret" [*], and the slightly astonishing admission from Microsoft itself that suing people for IP violations is bothersome, or in its lawyers' own words: "a particularly complicated and inefficient exercise." If we're to take the lawyers at their word (always a risky business), then what has so often been described as a patent war between Redmond and open source developers looks much more like a phony war. Put the two together, and we have a much clearer idea of Microsoft's strategy than we did twelve months ago. We'll begin by examining the basis for Microsoft's appeal, or technically, its "application for interim measures".
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#1 By
12071 (203.185.215.149)
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12/23/2004 6:43:42 PM
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#6 "I think an OS in this day and age without a bundled program that plays media files such as mp3, wma or mpegs is absurd."
I don't think there are many that would disagree with you there, but where do you draw the line between core OS functionality and the application layer? Why isn't Microsoft Excel a core component of Windows? Surely there would be a lot more people requiring a spreadsheet application than a music player. In the end, and this is something that you fail to understand, most people don't have an issue with WMP per se, what they do have an issue with is the lack of choice that Microsoft gives them. Your choices are limited to WMP or WMP and whatever else you decide to download, but they don't want you removing WMP, you don't get to make that choice.
#7 Don't be stupid... Microsoft would then have to actually compete! It's much easier to bundle your "good enough" software with your monopoly OS and make it as difficult as possible to remove, citing that the whole OS will become unstable and crash if that core component is removed. It's worked in the past hasn't it!
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#2 By
12071 (203.217.26.160)
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12/24/2004 7:38:04 PM
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#9 "Really? What a dweeb you are to think that."
Perhaps at your school where everyone is interested in downloading and playing mp3's that may not be the case, but when you get out of school you might realise that users use spreadsheets a lot more than you could ever imagine. Financial Institutions run everything from company models to just about their entire businesses in some cases (parts of Equity Markets for instance). I can tell you that those analysts aren't busy playing mp3's and watching movies. Home users also use spreadsheets for keeping budgets and all manner of things than neither I nor you would ever think of using a spreadsheet for.
But Microsoft won't include a spreadsheet application whilst they are selling Excel like hotcakes and people are either unaware of alternatives, or in many cases, the alternatives don't support the same feature set (and function set) that Excel does. So if a text editor, a browser and a media player are core OS components, a spreadsheet application should be too. e.g. A "Starter Edition" of Excel.
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#3 By
12071 (203.217.26.160)
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12/26/2004 7:57:10 AM
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#16 Seriously Parkker, grow up, finish high school and then we'll talk. Or at least try to pretend that you're actually older than you really are by not using words just as "dweeb" and "dolt".
If you had the reading and comprehension skills of at least a 4 year old, you would have understood what I was saying. That if a media player is considered to be a core os component then so should a spreadsheet application, which as I described is used by people for a myriad of tasks. Did you miss this bit Einstein "So if a text editor, a browser and a media player are core OS components, a spreadsheet application should be too." Of course users buy Excel - it's the number #1 spreadsheet application, and that's why Microsoft don't give a lite version away for free - because they don't have enough competition in that area to warrant bundling it in with Windows. Then again, your president doesn't have the reading or comprehension skills of a 4 year old, so why should you!
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#4 By
12071 (203.217.26.160)
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12/26/2004 6:46:59 PM
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#22 "My reading and comprehension skills are just fine."
"I was amazed you would suggest a major "financial institution" would want to use a free spreadsheet and not buy Excel or Office"
See, anyone reading your comments will more than likely disagree. I never said that a major financial institution would want to use a free spreadsheet. Anyone with the most basic comprehension skills would have understood, but don't worry, you too have the chance to become President one day!
I don't want a spreadsheet with similar functionality to Notepad, I want a spreadsheet with similar functionality to WordPad or slightly more. Have you forgotten that WordPad is included free in Windows? I'm saying that if a media player is considered to be a core os component, rather than a 3rd party application, then so should a Spreadsheet application. I'm sorry that I cannot put that in simpler words that you can understand better.
Of course financial institutions pay for and use Excel, and so they should, Excel is one of Microsofts great applications. Sure it has it's fair share of quirks and bugs, but overall, the power and functionality of it cannot be found anywhere else. So no-one is suggesting that financial institutions don't pay for Excel, I was using it in part to show you that there are plenty of uses of Excel that you would never have thought of. Sure maybe you and your high school friends only think about mp3's and wma's, but that doesn't prove that spreadsheets are any less core to os functionality, based on your initial claim that a media player is a core component.
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#5 By
12071 (203.217.26.160)
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12/27/2004 2:05:25 AM
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#28 "I think Kabuki's point is that if Windows is to include a Media Player, yet it does not include a Spreadsheet, that makes no sense, either include both or don't include any. "
Exactly, why that's so difficult for Parkker to grasp I do not know.
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