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Time: 11:14 EST/16:14 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Byron Hinson

Thanks Louis: Lots of people seem to be confused by Microsoft's .NET initiative. This is largely because it's actually several initiatives rolled into one. for the purpouses of this entry I'm going to ignore web services and passport authenticiation, which, while both interesting in their own right, aren't going to strongly affect Windows itself.

The .NET framework, on the other hand, will. For those of you who don't pay attention to these things, normally (and this is simplifying things greatly) you compile code from the actual text that is typed in straight to machine code that's specific to the chip you're working with (in the case of Windows, that's largely the 386, most x86 chips after that point basically working as 386 chips with addons, or at least imitating this). .NET is different because your code actually gets compiled into what's called the Intermediate Language (IL). It's only when this IL is first run that it actually gets converted to its final form, and it then runs on top of the .NET runtime. This .NET runtime acts as a layer insulating the code from the machine it's running on (in part, anyway).

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#1 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/3/2002 12:03:42 PM
Interesting conclusions.

#2 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 10/3/2002 12:30:32 PM
There's a couple technical errors here.

- First, his explanation of IL is a little simplistic and isn't quite exactly true. IL is actually JIT compiled to machine code, not interpreted and not compiled before hand. This is very important to the performance and cross-platformness of .NET

- Second, Mono doesn't run on Solaris, it runs on Linux on SPARC. Very big difference.

- Third, "the Microsoft version of .NET is very Windows reliant, so they have to port Windows too" this is patently false!!! I can't believe this guy is this clueless. You do not have to port Windows, that's ridiculous. If you avoid the "Microsoft.*" namespaces, which MS recommends you do, you can implement all the other namespaces with very little Windows-ness.

The Windows.Forms namespaces have a few kickbacks to Win32 Windows programming that can be easily mimmiced in other windowing platforms lik MacOS and X11.



#3 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/3/2002 2:14:55 PM
theCoach, yeah, ngen.exe is a great utility for creative CPU specific images.

As for Windows reliance.... If I understand correctly System.Windows and System.Data are not part of the ECMA spec for .NET. This doesn't prevent someone from mimicing the API though. Whether Microsoft's implementation of the base class libraries does or does not hook to the Win32 API is really not important. The important thing is the public interface NOT the implementation. If you are one Solaris with BobSmith's implementation of System.* and I implement a System.Windows.Form.TextBox that hook Solaris's API kudos to me. I don't see why the IL of a client app calling the BobSmith implementation would be any different from the IL of a client app on Windows running the Microsoft implementation.

In short, I agree with daz.

#4 By 5444 (208.180.245.190) at 10/3/2002 2:50:39 PM
Daz while I do agree,
But there is alot of work to take winforms from the platform to another platform, it has alot of reliance on teh underlying Winapi.

That said, it can be redone on other platforms and still offer the same features.
Just not an "easy" project to do.

Lukily winforms is a 1 or 2 shot deal until Longhorn:) and it doesn't fully support the winxp platform which is another issue.

el

#5 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/3/2002 3:41:22 PM
Implementing even the subset of the BCL that Mono will offer isn't easy. The main point, in my opinion, is that it is doable.

#6 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 10/3/2002 7:01:41 PM
While it's true that the verdict is still out on MS' stance towards alternative .NET implementations, they don't seem to dislike it. In fact, MS has helped out on a few occasions with the Mono folks (it's on their web site).

Fragmentation and incompatibility will certainly arise, that's for sure. To what extent is unclear.

#7 By 2332 (65.221.182.3) at 10/3/2002 11:08:53 PM
#8 - Perhaps to the same extent that Java is fragmented and incompatible among application vendors like IBM, BEA, Sun, etc.

#8 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/4/2002 4:04:04 PM
I doubt that number is very high, JWM.

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