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#1 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
at
6/26/2002 12:11:14 PM
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What a lackluster name, though....
I love the idea, depending on how slick it works in practice. I think as it progresses to multiple users, though, hard drives on home machines will become a bottleneck.
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#2 By
1124 (165.170.128.66)
at
6/26/2002 12:23:31 PM
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This sounds cool!!
I hope this does not open up computers to a new way of hacking by capturing the remote screen information.(damn I sound paranoid)
Will the screen be connected to the computer via 802.11b?
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#3 By
2459 (24.206.97.178)
at
6/26/2002 12:38:56 PM
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MS has said that TV integration is one of the next steps. It was part of a demo at last years CES (or Comdex).
According to various press reports, it does connect via 802.11b (though it may support other 802.11 standards).
This post was edited by n4cer on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 12:46.
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#4 By
1401 (24.74.52.178)
at
6/26/2002 3:19:17 PM
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I agree with #2 - the name is a bit lackluster - but I'm excited about the technology though...
Actually, the whole Windows CE naming scheme is a bit confusing. I mean you have Windows CE, then they call it Pocket PC and you have the different devices such as smart phones and auto pc's and now Windows CE for Smart Displays. I'm confused by the whole CE thing. Anyone care to explain it to me?
This post was edited by chrishedlund on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 15:22.
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#5 By
2459 (24.206.97.178)
at
6/26/2002 3:50:33 PM
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Yes. :-)
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#6 By
1845 (12.254.162.132)
at
6/26/2002 4:52:56 PM
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Quite impressive binhex. I thought I'd never understand the difference between PocketPC, Windows CE, and Windows XP Embedded.
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#7 By
5444 (208.180.140.230)
at
6/26/2002 11:07:25 PM
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Bin,
I would classify more in this way.
With the advent of the xp source tree anyway.
at the top end of the scale you have Data center, the big boy of the xp source true, in 64 bit, can support up to 64 cpus, and huge amonunt of memory.
moveing on down you have
Enterprise(Advance Server) up to 8 processors
Standard server which use to support up to 4 but in .net is cut back to 2 processors.
Pro support 2 processors. but doesn't have all the server related stuff
home supports 1 processors.
and XP embedded. Designed with the idea of supporting embedded devices.
From Embedded you get
these Implementations.
Windows CE.net,
Pocket PC
and the varoius other implementations based on device. such as smart phone, and windows ce for mobile displays.
El
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#8 By
5444 (208.180.140.230)
at
6/27/2002 4:43:08 AM
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Not disagreeing with you for sure. but it does put the whole picture of what MS is trying to do.
I posted the message because I had some errands to run before I had finished my entire point.
In the not to distant future, MS will be switching to a universal datastore. this will have profound effects on the entire MS prodcut line and probably even 3rd party vendors.
But looking at that picture, the CE devices become enen more intreaging as they already have a version of sql available for them. But when teh Datastore is pushed all the way down to the Smart Phone level and the pocket PC level. it introduces new and interesting features.
the Data anywhere anytime becomes a reality. That is the main thing to look at in the CE devices, as primarily an extention from the desktop for access to data anywhere.
And in Business that can also be an interaction with the Server platform to push data to the device/
El
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#9 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
at
6/27/2002 10:02:36 AM
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Eldoen, not sure if this is what you meant or not, but it almost sounds from your description
"From Embedded you get
these Implementations.
Windows CE.net..."
that Windows CE.net and Pocket PC are derivatives of Windows XP Embedded. There are two OSes from MS that are offered for embedded devices--Windows CE and Windows XP Embedded. They are separate implemenations.
I'm not sure where the line is drawn as far as what is an embedded device, but one of the criteria I've heard is that the embedded OSes do not allow apps to be installed after the OS image has been finalized and implemented. Pocket PC, though it is an implementation of Windows CE, would not be an embedded OS under that criterion.
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#10 By
5444 (208.180.140.230)
at
6/27/2002 11:22:40 AM
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Another thing I am disappointed about the technology.
While in the house I can see one platform with multiple users. Perhaps even two desktops, Perosnally I would prefer a server with multiple users.
But the main issue is the Lack of digital Ink as in the tablet PC. perhaps the processors chosen in the device isn't powerful enough to do Ink, But unless the monitor is around 500 dollars, I can get a full Tablet PC for around 2000-2500 that does ink and isn't slowed down by a wireless connection. but I can put a wireless card in it and basically do the same thing as Mira is design to do plus get Ink in the process.
el
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#11 By
5444 (208.180.140.230)
at
6/27/2002 12:51:04 PM
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Blu,
I should have clarified that is where MS plans to go.
Internally Embedded is the platform for all devices that are not desktop class devices, (laptops are considered desktop level)
Externally Embedded is a platform that allows OEMs to make an OS for the needs of the platform, it is designed only to be an OS to process one application. Such as ATM machines etc. But if you work with Embeded you can in effect make the Full XP platform if you so wish.
minus the feature of a good install routine.
CE is moving into the Small Devices platform, a sub group of the Embedded group, I also believe that the new Home group is part of the Embedded group.
But the main thing to note is that the entire platforms from Datacenter to the smallest small device is to work together. and that was the chart I was trying to show. and why CE is alligning under embedded.
(this will become even more apparent as Longhorn emerges) and the desktop applications are shrunk to the small devices platforms. even on some embedded platforms that are ouside of the normal interoperability realms.
El
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