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| Time: 10:52 EST/15:52 GMT | News Source: *Linked Within Post* | Posted By: Chris Hedlund | ||
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Over the last six months, I have been asking almost everybody who matters a very simple question. Why Longhorn? It's already late, and Microsoft has decided not to include two of the three most anticipated features in the final build. Is it going to change anything at all? Is it worth waiting for? And the answer always seems to swing towards the negative; whether it is "wait and watch, I don't see much currently", or that "it may be more secure, not much else". No better! Of the current feature list that Microsoft seems to have thrown our way, Longhorn doesn't contain a single enhancement which you can't add to Windows XP for free already. Most people would say it is a question of integration and that once Microsoft has made an API out of everything from desktop search to 3D Accelerated rendering; it will all start to look a whole lot synergetic, as all apps will be able to use it, and maybe even run faster. Some say it may be worthwhile because it will look better. | ||
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| #1 By 531 (131.107.0.101) at 6/3/2005 12:04:59 PM |
| I love articles like this because they're entirely based on the premise that Microsoft has already told the public everything they need to know about Longhorn. God forbid that there's stuff MSFT hasn't talked about yet... |
| #2 By 8556 (12.207.222.2) at 6/3/2005 12:20:36 PM |
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The article obviously states one person’s opinion. An an uninformed one it is. It is highly unlikely that Longhorn will suck when released. There is serious coding going on that extends quite a bit beyond renaming icons. Yes, the 2004alpha releases of Longhorn were dogs. But, that was because SQL was layered onto NTFS to simulate WinFS, a database OS. The result was horrible performance. I’ve used PICK for 18 years. It’s a database OS that is wonderfully efficient, but badly marketed as nobody seems to know what it is. If Microsoft can come close to PICK’s level of performance when WinFS is finally released the result should be stunning. Until then, be it 2007 8 or 9, the Longhorn we get should offer enough improvements across the board that we’ll all be happy.
Concerning the odd comments on video performance, wait until the gold release is out before making a statement comparing it to OSX. A lot of work is being done by Ati and NVIDIA along with MS on video performance. It should be awesome, when it’s ready. |
| #3 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 6/3/2005 12:55:19 PM |
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Crazy article... lots of assertions, but no references or evidence to back it up. In fact, it appears to be based entirely on superficial assumptions and statements from the author's circle of friends ("most people seem to agree," "in general regarded as," etc., stated without any references).
"Longhorn doesn't contain a single enhancement which you can't add to Windows XP for free already." The Longhorn driver model won't be an enhancement you can add to XP. The kernal changes? Nope. Aero? Nope. There are actually a lot of things, and certainly we won't know everything for awhile yet. "If you've seen some Longhorn screenshots, you would have noticed the sidebar..." Sidebar? Sounds like it has been dropped. I agree in principle about the screen real estate remark, but at the same time, the task bar offers some nice functionality, particularly in Office. "Microsoft has decided not to include two of the three most anticipated features in the final build." Which two? Of WinFS, Avalon, and Indigo, only WinFS won't be there at RTM. But hey, look deeper, folks. Longhorn is not just WinFS, Avalon, and Indigo. |
| #4 By 61 (65.32.175.192) at 6/3/2005 3:29:51 PM |
| I think he might be talking about the scaling back of NGSCB (which most people were crying about anyway, now they are using it as ammo against Longhorn). |
| #5 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 6/3/2005 8:48:22 PM |
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Gentlemen,
I think you may all well be wrong. It does not look like Longhorn will be a must have upgrade to Win XP. I suspect that the author of this article is correct that a patched version of Win XP will be as secure as Longhorn and that for the average user the only major change they will appreciate will be the new UI. I also agree that Microsoft has generally been making software that works well with a few annoyances for some time now. I have not seen a compelling upgrade from MS for some time now. Can one really say that Office 2003 is that much better for the vast majority of computer users than Office 2000? Other than calling their users dinosaurs MS has done a terrible job of convincing the public to upgrade to the new Office and I suspect few have upgraded. On the other hand all new machines will come bundled with Longhorn and in that regard it will be a success. My real question is whether anyone will upgrade to longhorn when they discover that DRM is built into the CPU and the OS. Would you? |
| #6 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 6/4/2005 3:36:12 AM |
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#2, PICK? Cool - it was originally a teaching tool developed in Germany and was later used to allow people to build applications that they actually used. It's neat to hear of someone who used it.
One could go on for a very long time about why LH will be fundamentally different and certainly worth the upgrade - I recall the same things being said about XP, and later about SP1/SP1a and SP2. I'll use the reference comparing Office 2K -v 2K3...The differences are so vast from a developer's view and using it "with" XP SP2 and W2K3 as platform components to deliver to users two things: affordable collaboration and individually relevant intelligence. The real difference is derived from a combination of these two things and that has been the ability to rapidly assimilate information, process it into intelligence and then disseminate it - that was practically impossible in 2K, but is common in Office 2K3 - and very easy and affordable. Take for example, STS 1, then WSS with hooks to EX2K2; mix in some XML and SQL Reporting Services [even against existing apps] and native connections to the messaging layer. Any dev out there will know exactly what I am speaking about and with just a little effort and even junior people, using 2K3 vice 2K products one can do amazing things. All of this suggests very strongly that the migration to XML and distributed secure work and development will continue. With these tools we have not only improved the quality of work for our users, but also the qaulity of life - vastly increased ability to work from home - securely! [RPC over HTTPS, WSS, Portal Server, Distributed Apps, RM, Business Accelerator....] - the list is endless and so simple to integrate into very powerful tools for people. Longhorn, SQL 2005, Team based dev tools, SMB over HTTPS - all of it [2K3 set that stage - created that distributed mindset and Longhorn will turn it all loose to serve people and business in ways people cannot even imagine]. Forget the screen-shots of pre-alpha builds - if you need eye-candy go download StarDock, and WindowBlinds. If you're serious about this business and what you can do to impact it, think distributed work - it's changed a lot of lives and made life a lot more fun and productive. Sorry StarDock - I love your stuff and buy a lot of it...makes the interface fun and YES, I know, you had a Doc and a better Widget tool long before Apple ever thought about a doc....much less Widgets. |
| #7 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 6/6/2005 12:58:29 AM |
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#9 Do you have any idea whatever what one can do with the end-point-mapper service when connected via an HTTPS listener....?
You can create distributed networks less dedicated lines, or VPN's of any kind. Do you have any idea how much money and time that will save people and businesses? Very soon, most forms of communications will be transacted this way and very little unencrypted communications will be desired or used. You have to be the most jaded and foolish person that I've seen post here...I'll ask your mum to tap the lids of the paint cans down a little tighter - the fumes in her basement have to be building up again - try moving your bed closer to the garage doors. |
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