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| Time: 01:20 EST/06:20 GMT | News Source: Reuters | Posted By: Erick Cordero | ||
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BTG, along with Teleshuttle and Teleshuttle Technologies, filed two lawsuits in U.S. District Court in the Northern District of California. One suit against Apple and Microsoft alleges infringement on Teleshuttle patents covering Web-enabled software update technologies, which are important in helping protect computer users from viruses and other Internet attacks. Automatic software update technology is part of Microsoft's Windows operating system and Apple's OS X. | ||
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| #1 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 7/21/2004 3:48:25 AM |
| It's great to see that you two have agreed on the punishment that should be handed down. |
| #2 By 12071 (203.217.25.124) at 7/21/2004 10:40:34 AM |
| #5 If they own the patents, they can sit on them for as long as they like (well until the patent expires at least)... which is precisely why many people have issues with patents dealing with software and the fact the the US Patent Office seems to be rubber stamping any half assed vague software patent without checking for prior art (most likely due to not having enough resources to properly check each patent due to patents flooding in). As a result, you too can apply for a relatively vague patent and hope that during the course of it's lifetime someone creates something that vaguely resembles said patent and then you can live the American Dream(tm) and sue them, hopefully for millions if it's a big corporation. |
| #3 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 7/21/2004 1:14:03 PM |
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"Can Apple?"
http://www.btgplc.com/btguploads/BTG_prelims_statement_2003.pdf Apple can most certainly "pay these guys off". They could also BUY them SEVERAL times over. |
| #4 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 7/21/2004 1:14:38 PM |
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#7,
NOTHING is free, especially where MS is concerned. The cost of maintaining Windows Update, and the massive bandwidth it uses, is built in somewhere. Yep, the product prices. Just like car warranties. You ARE paying for them. They are built in to the price of the car. TL |
| #5 By 2332 (66.228.91.12) at 7/21/2004 2:05:22 PM |
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#9 - Can you show that the price of Windows has gone up because of Windows Update? Or Media Player? Or Internet Explorer? Or Notepad? Or any other feature included in Windows?
I'm sure some of these have caused the price of Windows to go up, but you need to provide quantitative data that shows that when Windows Update was introduce it caused the price of Windows to go up $XX.XX. If you can't show that you're just making unjustified assumptions. |
| #6 By 1658 (24.15.133.255) at 7/21/2004 2:08:12 PM |
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"you're just making unjustified assumptions"
Sounds like TechLarry to me. |
| #7 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 7/21/2004 2:15:22 PM |
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#12,
Really? All the effort, programming, maintenance and BANDWIDTH that Windows Update grows on tree's I guess, and either Microsoft absorbs it out of the goodness of their hearts (LOL) or it's phantom money that doesn't really exist. For Gods sake man, use your head! TL |
| #8 By 2332 (66.228.91.12) at 7/21/2004 2:17:42 PM |
| #14 - My point was not that it doesn't cost Microsoft money to create these features. My point was that if the price of Windows does not increase because of these features than it makes absolutely no difference what it cost Microsoft. |
| #9 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 7/21/2004 2:23:38 PM |
| "My point was that if the price of Windows does not increase because of these features than it makes absolutely no difference what it cost Microsoft." Baloney. Ballmer and Gates would disagree with you. |
| #10 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 7/21/2004 2:26:05 PM |
| Parkker, Teleshuttle is a private company so I can't get their valuation. But they went to BTG for money and muscle... That suggests they have much less dough than BTG. Also, check out Teleshuttle's web site ( http://www.teleshuttle.com/Default.htm ) and tell me they are too pricey for Apple to purchase. Please... we are all so fond of your lunacy. |
| #11 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 7/21/2004 2:34:59 PM |
| This is an example of one of those lame software patents. |
| #12 By 1658 (24.15.133.255) at 7/21/2004 2:41:02 PM |
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No Larry...
I was just making a statement out of frustration with regards to the fodder I constantly read from you on this site. I don't think I've ever read one intelligent thing you've written on this forum since I started reading ActiveWin years ago. And that was LONG before I registered. In a nutshell, much of what you read here in the forums is patently false and comes from uninformed souls anyway. Not badmouthing everyone in any sense. Most of you I think are perfectly decent people just shootin' the s*it on technology. That's all fine and well. But there are plenty of total morons here that post from nothing more than the perspective of: Microsoft is evil, Linux rocks, Microsoft must always suck, Microsoft never innovates, eat me n00b! The fact of the matter is LARRY, you don't work for Microsoft and have little knowledge of what goes on here internally. That means that much of what is posted is based on opinion or interpretation of what Microsoft's motives are or what their cost structures are, etc... "interpretation" and "assumption" and "opinion" often lead to inaccurate and useless information anyway. Now, while all three of those qualities are required to enact progress in any institution, I reiterate what RMD told you before... Check out how much the cost of Windows has risen since the inception of IE, Media Player, the .NET Framework, Windows Update, and dare I mention: all the service packs in between that certainly cost a pretty penny to develop and distribute. The fact is the price really hasn't gone up. Support for the most part has remained free and has only gotten better in many respects. New features, new capabilities, and higher quality software is coming out of Redmond and your cost on a per copy basis for Windows has certainly risen damn near none. "...and either Microsoft absorbs it..." You said it. Microsoft spends an enormous amount on their support infrastracture and that translates very little into the cost of what you pay for a shrink wrapped copy of Windows on the store shelves. If you haven't noticed, it is highly like Microsoft's business model to spend large quantities of money and take losses to obtain long-term benefits. Windows Update is required to maintain Microsoft's customer base and satisfy their demands. Period. Look at all of the money spent on developing the Windows Media Technologies. We are now only starting to see money flow in from the development of those apps that began almost over 7 years ago. That of course isn't to say that Microsoft simply does a bunch of things for free and doesn't recuperate that expenditure somewhere else, but in the case of Windows, far more is spent that you could possibly imagine that has not caused an increase in the price you see on Best Buy's shelve. Perhaps you're the one who should use your head. This post was edited by aamendala on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 14:44. |
| #13 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 7/21/2004 2:59:49 PM |
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I know it's one person, but you aren't going to claim that he doesn't have an incorporated company called TeleShuttle are you?
The inventor is Richard Reisman. The company is Teleshuttle. What is your point? You originally suggested Apple would collapse under the cost of the suit. Now you are claiming that I am wrong to call Teleshuttle a company, I should call him a guy. Pathetic. |
| #14 By 1295 (216.84.210.100) at 7/21/2004 3:44:26 PM |
| This will probably go the way of the guy sueing over his HTML patent. I don't remember specifics but it is in so many different people's intrest to keep auto updating going. |
| #15 By 11888 (64.230.73.180) at 7/21/2004 4:37:46 PM |
| I don't understand this assault on TechLarry. His posts are always fair and never filled with malice unlike some. |
| #16 By 1658 (24.15.133.255) at 7/21/2004 5:00:25 PM |
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"His posts are always fair and never filled with malice unlike some."
Assuming your "unlike some" means me, damn me for stating my opinion on his posts. It's not a personal assault, it's an assault on the manner in which he carelessly makes unsubstantiated statements about damn near everything he discusses. "Always fair" is up for argument. If you feel that stating non-facts and staking unjustifiable claims with no backup is "always fair", oh well. You might also note that I was NOT just referring to the style of his posts and his posts alone. However, he does happen to do it more than others. mssucks is another beauty who loves to post with the intelligence of an amoeba on PCP... Yup, I'm on assault today. Sorry but posts like "more FUD from the evil empire, they dont innovate, w00t w00t w00t!" are about as fair and balanced as FOX News. This post was edited by aamendala on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 17:05. |
| #17 By 1658 (24.15.133.255) at 7/21/2004 9:38:01 PM |
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So you're disputing that the products we're building are not ever expanding in both feature set and robustness?
I also find it hard to believe that you could overlook the fact that we've pulled a tremendous amount of developers off Longhorn and other projects to work on XP SP2 yet we aren't creating higher quality software? At one point, I would've almost certainly agreed with you that we could've done a much better job on most security aspects, however, since 1996, Microsoft has been working feverously and dilligently to create better software. The progression from Windows NT 4.0 to Windows 2000 (the largest software development project in history) to XP and now on to Longhorn certainly shows a road of software that has only gotten far more reliable, secure, and capable. In the process, the price to you as a consumer has gone up very very little. I am not referring to the cost of management, that has certainly risen and will fall again as we create new management tools and really hammer on security as we've been doing. Retail-wise though Halcyon, you haven't seen large increases in price while we've absolutely improved our product. As far as you claiming that hardly any Windows computer is without spyware or viruses, for the most part, I'd agree with you. We are working to address these issues in full as well and are doing our best to support our user base the best we possibly can. At the same time, we're compromising our development schedule and profitability outlook for the short term so that we can deliver updates and more solid software to you. Every operating system is heavily vulnerable to attack when used on an always-on IP connection. Excluding the 3rd-tier application layer that is present with nearly every Linux distribution (with the exception of Gentoo and those like it), Linux has far more vulnerabilities at the core OS level than we do. Anyone who disputes that is simply incorrect and has not done their research. Do we see the rate of exploit on Linux that we do on Windows? Of course not. The reason for that is simply our popularity whether people like that explanation or not. If you're more popular, you're going to get hit. The difference is, we understand (even if we may not have in the past) the responsibilities that come with this popularity and are working our hardest to address such problems. Honestly, in the end, we will win, period. But please don't tell me the quality of software coming off this campus hasn't improved exponentially. If you truly believe that, I think its time I start talking to the MS Press guys about a 30 year anniversary book to tell the stories of just how much has changed around here since our security and quality push began so many years ago. Thank you for writing so intelligibly. I enjoy reading what you have to say. This post was edited by aamendala on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 21:42. |
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