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SCO Blasts Novell, To Reveal Disputed Linux Code | |
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| Time: 01:04 EST/06:04 GMT | News Source: CRN | Posted By: Jonathan Tigner | ||
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Under pressure from IBM, Novell and the Linux community, SCO Group said on Friday it will open up next week "hundreds of lines of Linux code" that will put to rest industry doubts about its legal case against IBM. "This will be of benefit to the software community and opportunity to see the tip of the iceberg of the evidence SCO has gathered," said SCO CEO Darl McBride, who said customers, analysts and media will be able to view the code under non-disclosure beginning next week. "There are direct lines of code from Unix and Unixware in Linux and in the Linux kernel." He also said Novell "caused confusion" earlier this week by alleging that it--and not SCO--owned the patents and copyrights to Unix. | ||
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| #1 By 7390 (63.211.44.114) at 6/1/2003 1:43:24 AM |
| Once they show the code in question won't the Linux boys just re-write it and move on, thus making this case moot? |
| #2 By 931 (67.35.84.28) at 6/1/2003 3:01:20 AM |
| This is just going to be pure fun to watch. btw recoding it does not undo the "damage" already done by XXX version of the stolen code already out there in the market. I doubt this is going anywhere but it will be fun to see how the linux boys like being sued over some bullsh**t. |
| #3 By 12071 (203.217.70.131) at 6/1/2003 10:56:43 AM |
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Your honor, here is the proof that IBM has blatantly ripped off our code, you will find that every single class has the following line in it:
#include <stdio.h> Additionally you will also find one of the following lines in most of the classes: int main() int main(int argc, char** argv) We believe this is more than adequate proof and we request that IBM get punished severely for this, and then buy us out at an inflated price so that our stockholders are happy. |
| #4 By 6253 (12.237.219.240) at 6/1/2003 11:46:43 AM |
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cba-3.14, this is not really a test of the license. GPL itself is a perfectly valid license. It's just that it is based on a development model which has always been at odds with the legal principles of accountability and responsibility. Large open source projects tend to evolve into something like anonymous message boards. Sure, you can "usually" find an IP address from a web server log, find the owner of the subnet from ARIN, and try to find the user of the IP address at the given time, but it's a horribly inexact science which often comes to a dead end at a large corporate proxy server where the logs haven't been retained in enough detail to find the offending hit at the approximate date-time.
Many Internet "standards" established by open source (things like SMTP, NNTP, FTP, basic authentication in HTTP, etc.) all lack true security/traceability. One of the reasons spam is such a problem today is that there is no single, quick, fool-proof way to identify the sender of any given message. In the past few years, things like SSH have helped, and proprietary mods to software allow ISPs to ensure they can enforce TOS and respond to law enforcement when a subpoena shows up, wanting to know who posted the insider trading information or pirated software. But many things touched by open source remain targets for abuse. P2P isn't popular because of technical merits; it's popular only because it tends to conceal identity (and thus remove responsibility and accountability). I'm surprised not to hear more conspiracy theory suggesting that SCO itself planted the infringing code. In fact, they could have assembled sections of infringing code one line at a time, from different contributor "identities." The really interesting thing is that Linus admitted to reviewing everything that gets accepted into the kernel. Every ISP running a news server knows to deny exercising any editorial review over postings from their systems because it makes you liable, at least in the United States. If there is infringement in the kernel (regardless of who contributed it), Linus and/or a handful of his designated kernel coordinators could be held personally accountable by a U.S. court. All this talk about removing the offending code is nice, but it doesn't resolve the issue. You can't rob a bank, get caught, give back the money, and simply walk away. It's time for open source to take its place in history alongside Napster. |
| #5 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 6/1/2003 12:19:10 PM |
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cba-3.12 - You're right. They'd have to remove the offending code.... AND pay monetary damages for the initial theft.
This doesn't test the GPL license, except from a business model standpoint. i.e. can you afford to give away software for free and fend off lawsuits by selling support? holdeup - "I'm surprised not to hear more conspiracy theory" Please, don't give them any more ideas. There are enough mentally unstable persons in this world as it is. "It's time for open source to take its place in history alongside Napster. " I wouldn't go that far. But the Open Source community has highly damaged their credibility in the business world with their reaction to this SCO suit. It's going to be much easier for Microsoft etc to point to the consequences you risk by involving yourself with the GPL. |
| #6 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 6/1/2003 2:40:16 PM |
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gg - I'm talking about justifying the statements which were formerly labeled as FUD. That companies doing business in GPLed software are basically weaving their own rope.
I'm curious to see what SCO comes out with. Apparently they're only going to release their evidence to a credible panel held by an NDA who can do nothing but confirm the evidence. |
| #7 By 7390 (63.211.44.114) at 6/1/2003 5:14:45 PM |
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11. FUD, this stuff has a way of coming out
12. I agree, they should only release their evidence in a court of law not in the court of public opinion. I am sure that if the evidence is substantial then someone will buy SCO (I am guessing IBM or HP). |
| #8 By 8589 (64.219.162.80) at 6/1/2003 10:06:35 PM |
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Of course, this could be the beginning of the end for Linux. It probably will depend on just how far Microsoft lawyers are willing to take this.
Why won't Linux be the OS of choice for home users. 1. Upgrading drivers is not point & click 2. Upgrading or installing programs is not point and click 3. Upgrading the Kernel or other vital parts of the OS is not point and click Now, if the Linux gurus would realize this is what home users want, and demand from their OS, then, and only then will it be a real threat to Micorosoft's monopoly as the OS of choice for the home user. I have posted this message many times on Linux groups. I have written letters to those that have the authority to make these changes, etc... The main answer I get? "Most Linux users don't want this. They feel uncomfortable about having it behave too much like Windows." Bull crap. Only the die hard console users feel this way. They love the arcane line commands, and if you mistype one letter, or leave out a dash, you have to start all over. And for those computer users that don't type 40 or more words a minute, it is very frustrating to say the least. And then there is remembering the commands... By the time you get to be 50, tell me that you really want to start learning line commands? Not me buddy. |
| #9 By 16451 (65.19.17.208) at 6/2/2003 8:42:54 AM |
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>>> It probably will depend on just how far Microsoft lawyers are willing to take this
What do Microsoft lawyers have to do with an IP misuse claim by SCO? >>> I am sure that if the evidence is substantial then someone will buy SCO (I am guessing IBM or HP). IBM is already talking to SCO about just that. |
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