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00:00 EST/05:00 GMT | News Source:
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Thanks Paul, Cyber & Jose! "An exclusive first look at Microsoft’s ambitious-and risky-plan to remake the personal computer to ensure security, privacy and intellectual property rights. Will you buy it? "
In ancient Troy stood the Palladium, a statue of the goddess Athena. Legend has it that the safety of the city depended on that icon’s preservation. Later the term came to mean a more generic safeguard.
HERE’S SOMETHING THAT cries for a safeguard: the world of computer bits. An endless roster of security holes allows cyber-thieves to fill up their buffers with credit-card numbers and corporate secrets. It’s easier to vandalize a Web site than to program a remote control. Entertainment moguls boil in their hot tubs as movies and music are swapped, gratis, on the Internet. Consumers fret about the loss of privacy. And computer viruses proliferate and mutate faster than they can be named.
Computer security is enough of a worry that the software colossus Microsoft views it as a threat to its continued success: thus the apocalyptic Bill Gates memo in January calling for a “Trustworthy Computing” jihad. What Gates did not specifically mention was Microsoft’s hyperambitious long-range plan to literally change the architecture of PCs in order to address the concerns of security, privacy and intellectual property. The plan, revealed for the first time to NEWSWEEK, is... Palladium, and it’s one of the riskiest ventures the company has ever attempted. Though Microsoft does not claim a panacea, the system is designed to dramatically improve our ability to control and protect personal and corporate information. Even more important, Palladium is intended to become a new platform for a host of yet-unimagined services to enable privacy, commerce and entertainment in the coming decades. “This isn’t just about solving problems, but expanding new realms of possibilities in the way people live and work with computers,” says product manager Mario Juarez.
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#1 By
1896 (208.61.157.63)
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6/24/2002 1:18:11 AM
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You are 100% right, the way personal infos are sold to whoever is ready to pay is a huge scandal. To be honest I have to add that this is a problem specific to the US; in Europe there are extremely restrictive laws regulating the distribution of personal data. To give you an idea of how serious is the problem consider that I was paying a monthly fee to Bell South to have my phone # unpublished, in spite of that I received a lot of calls from telemarketers. I called to the phone company to complain and they "explained" me that in spite of the fact the number is unpublished they still have the right to sell it to whoever they want for commercial purposes. To avoid it you have to pay an additional fee! I obviously cancelled my service and now I just answer "no thanks" and hang up but this is tthe situation.
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#2 By
1896 (208.61.157.63)
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6/24/2002 1:39:38 AM
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As for this "Palladium" stuff, I studied the Aeneid in school and I remember what Laocoonte said about the horse left by the Greek: "Quidquid id est, timeo danaos et dona ferentes" which means: "whatever it is, I fear the Greeks, even bearing gifts". This idea could have a potential but I see a lot of downsides, at least for private people. Who is going to control what? Are we going to have computers unable to play CDs or DVDs if you bought them in another region? I always buy Japanes CDs because the recording quality is superior but what once this stuff is enabled? IMO the bottom line is: the concept is ok, the way it will be implemented will make it good or evil.
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#3 By
2332 (165.247.7.92)
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6/24/2002 3:04:00 AM
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I don't know a whole lot about this Palladium deal, but I do know that security *always* comes at a cost.
Rock solid privacy and security will absolutely require drastic changes in the way computer software is written. .NET is a step in the right direction with its code-access security model.
I have no doubt that DRM is partly driven by the desire to curb piracy (which some people like to call fair use, but stealing by any other name is still stealing), and partly driven by the desire to have a truly "trustworthy" computing platform.
The fact is, the *entire industry* is moving toward DRM technology, and Microsoft is simply following the trend.
I look forward to reading more about this technology, albiet with my skepticism on full alert. I am a semi-Libertarian after all! :-)
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#4 By
135 (209.180.28.6)
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6/24/2002 11:27:33 AM
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Realist - "You'll note I have never said making a program open or closed is more secure" - No you said open source yields higher quality software, but you never did provide a list of examples.
RMD - correct... the entire industry is going this way. :( From what I understand, my HDTV monitor I bought in January is now obsolete because it doesn't support DRM. I don't necessarily like this because I think many of these initiatives are designed to piss off early adopters, which isn't going to help sales much... Think Sony MiniDisc or DAT for prerecorded music.
Of course then there is this SSSCA law out there, and the tech industry needs to position themselves in case it comes to be. I doubt it'll pass, but who knows.
#8 - Trust is an aspect of security. Although some will argue that you can't have trust unless you give everything away for free. The logic in that escapes me, but the claim is out there[in more ways than one]. :)
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#5 By
5444 (208.180.140.230)
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6/24/2002 1:22:00 PM
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RMD,
Here are things that are legal in "fair use"
The ability to record a show for time shift.
The ability to remix a album you buy for trips. Or to transfer it from one media to another.
(such as cassette to CD or vis a vis)
Other areas of fair use, is the use for educational purposes. As long as the copywrite allows it.
A review of a Book can include an excerpt from the book in question for example.
Now taking a cd and makeing an MP3 and sharing it with the world isn't a issue of fair use.
But taking that Same CD and sharing it with someone is.
Other Fair Use is to make back up copies of your software.
SSSCA want to take those rights away IMO, According to the way that SSSCA is written, you will not be able to record or timeshift prgraming at all. You wouldn't be able to make back ups of software, The way it is currently written. Schools would have to stop teaching Computer Science as the use of the software for most of the classes would violate the law.
While I do believe that industry does have a right to protect its IP. It needs to do it in a way that the Supreme Court has already held up as a legal right. And that is fair use.
If I buy a CD, I expect to still be able to use it in any device I own, if that means I have to switch the media format myself. for example from a CD to a MP3. So if the devices in question is from the player in the automobile I own. to the Entertainment center in my house etc etc.
What I would rather see is the ability to pick and choose the songs I want from a entertainer. over buying an entire CD. I would also rather see as much as 80% of the cost go back to the Entertainer and writer of the song than the corporation that rapes their people. but that is another issue altogether.
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#6 By
2332 (165.247.5.79)
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6/24/2002 2:36:44 PM
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#10
"The ability to record a show for time shift."
Agreed.
"The ability to remix a album you buy for trips. Or to transfer it from one media to another.
(such as cassette to CD or vis a vis)'
Agreed.
"Other areas of fair use, is the use for educational purposes. As long as the copywrite allows it. "
Agreed.
"A review of a Book can include an excerpt from the book in question for example."
Agreed.
"Now taking a cd and makeing an MP3 and sharing it with the world isn't a issue of fair use."
Exactly, and that's what I was objecting to.
"But taking that Same CD and sharing it with someone is."
According to the law... sure, but I still see this as stealing.
"Other Fair Use is to make back up copies of your software."
Yup, but all those "backup servers" out there aren't.
"SSSCA want to take those rights away IMO, According to the way that SSSCA is written, you will not be able to record or timeshift prgraming at all. You wouldn't be able to make back ups of software, The way it is currently written. Schools would have to stop teaching Computer Science as the use of the software for most of the classes would violate the law."
I completely agree, and I am 100% apposed to anything that restricts real fair use.
"While I do believe that industry does have a right to protect its IP. It needs to do it in a way that the Supreme Court has already held up as a legal right. And that is fair use."
Agreed.
"If I buy a CD, I expect to still be able to use it in any device I own, if that means I have to switch the media format myself. for example from a CD to a MP3. So if the devices in question is from the player in the automobile I own. to the Entertainment center in my house etc etc."
Agreed.
"What I would rather see is the ability to pick and choose the songs I want from a entertainer. over buying an entire CD. I would also rather see as much as 80% of the cost go back to the Entertainer and writer of the song than the corporation that rapes their people. but that is another issue altogether."
Yes, that is another issue altogether, but that's not what most people think. Most people feel justified in stealing music because they think they're hurting big bad companies. Bull$h1t. Doesn't matter how rich somebody is, it doesn't justify stealing from them.
In addition, stealing from a company does NOT result in a decrease in the price of the product you're stealing, it results in an INCREASE in the price. They can't compete with a price of $0, so they don't bother trying.
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#7 By
3339 (65.198.47.10)
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6/24/2002 2:41:12 PM
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"I don't think they are publishing the code to make it more secure. I think they are publishing it show everyone that there is no hidden adgenda. The press is always trying to turn Microsoft into some kind of Big Brother."
But they are making their most important security technology available to the public in source form, right? According to MS this will make it less secure because security is achieved through obscurity. In this case, they claim they can somehow avoid this IP security leak (and/or it doesn't exist in the first palce) AND get the benefits of public acceptance? Well, I'll be damned!! MS has figured out how to make open source a viable and reliable system.
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#8 By
1845 (12.254.162.132)
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6/25/2002 1:48:28 AM
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What rights are you babbling about #14 that the tyrants are treading on? If I were the owner of content providers I'd be furious that my rights are being tread on and that when I try to defend my rights (e.g. the Napster case) the public gets up in arms.
The "rights" that a license purchaser should enjoy are all the rights that the original license seller included in the license. No more, no less. If I sell software as "Not For Resale" then it shouldn't be resold. If I sell music as "Listen to on non-PC CD players" then it should be listened to only on non-PC players.
A great truth of economics is that if the customer isn't happy, he won't buy the product. If he's honest he'll boycot it. If he's dishonest he'll steal it. I think that music should be sold with different license rights. If I understand correctly that is the basis of DRM. An honest person has nothing to fear in DRM (unless of course you subscribe to conspiracy theories like the movie "The Net"). How would it be if I paid a few cents to download and listen to a song one time. If I paid a higher price and downloaded it for use on that machine for a period of time, higher for that machine with no time limit, any device with time limit, any device no time limit, etc. This is somewhat similar to the difference between "private use" and "commercial use" of movies.
As for Palladium, sounds like a good idea. I look forward to more details.
ActiveWin - you got rid of anonymous users today. How 'bout a "squelch" feature to hide posts from users' posts who annoy the hell out of us. I'm sure at least 10 people on this site would donate their time to write the code to make that possible if only so that they would not have to see sodajerk's asinine comments.
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