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Time: 02:44 EST/07:44 GMT | News Source: Reuters | Posted By: Alex Harris

High-end computer maker Sun Microsystems Inc. announced on Wednesday a free software initiative aimed at undercutting Microsoft Corp. in the battle to set the standards of the next-generation Internet. The battleground between Sun and Microsoft's .NET initiative is the layer of software that will form the backbone of the next generation Internet, and Sun will give away a key part, called an application server, that runs on Microsoft systems as well as the hit operating system, Linux.

Sun and Microsoft see a world of "Web services" in which clever software anticipates users' needs, such as automatically ordering parts for a factory that is running low or finding directions to an appointment listed in a business person's calendar. For that to happen, a layer of backbone software must stitch together computers that run operating systems and translate data between applications. Sun has a good start, because its Java platform runs programs while sitting on top of many operating systems, including Windows, while Windows programs run only on Windows.

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#1 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/19/2002 11:09:49 AM
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html

"Sun is the loose cannon of the computer industry. Unable to see past their raging fear and loathing of Microsoft, they adopt strategies based on anger rather than self-interest. Sun's two strategies are (a) make software a commodity by promoting and developing free software (Star Office, Linux, Apache, Gnome, etc), and (b) make hardware a commodity by promoting Java, with its bytecode architecture and WORA. OK, Sun, pop quiz: when the music stops, where are you going to sit down? Without proprietary advantages in hardware or software, you're going to have to take the commodity price, which barely covers the cost of cheap factories in Guadalajara, not your cushy offices in Silicon Valley."

#2 By 2332 (165.247.6.165) at 6/19/2002 11:57:18 AM
"Sun and Microsoft see a world of "Web services" in which clever software anticipates users' needs"

Wait... when did Sun see this? Last time I checked, Sun resisted every attempt by Microsoft and the rest of the industry to push web services because they are the antithesis to Java-Everywhere.

Now, all of a sudden, Sun is treated as an equal player in the web services race?

I think not.

#3 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 6/19/2002 12:01:33 PM
It's interesting in the article how they list quote prices for IBM, BEA, HP, Oracle, and Sun, but not MS, event though MS is mentioned more than all the rest besides Sun.

It's also interesting how they call Linux a "hit operating system", and how they link to news and web sites for it, but not for Sun, MS, or any of the others besides HP.


#4 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 6/19/2002 12:05:59 PM
#6: Yeah, I noticed that. This whole article is just one big piece of anti-MS, pro-Linux, Sun propaganda.

First, they disparage MS several times in the article, second they seem to make Sun a gleaming beam of light in a dark and evil MS world, and third they mention Linux several times even though it has nothing really to do with this article.

Take this, for example:
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By setting the non-Microsoft standard, Sun is "making sure we have a right to compete," she said. "We define open standards, compete on implementation."
[/QUOTE]

Sun defines open standards? Since when? Please show me an open standard that Sun has championed. MS has a ton of standards it has championed. Basically everything revolving around advanced XML, SOAP, WSDL, UDDI, and Web services has MS's name stamped on the standard document.

#5 By 2332 (165.247.6.165) at 6/19/2002 8:19:32 PM
#9 - Sigh... getting your news from Slashdot, are you?

The fact is, the CLR is the best language neutral runtime available, and supports a HUGE number of language features.

In fact, the vast majority of the currently implemented languages (http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/partners/language/default.asp) needed almost no modifacation to work like a charm under the CLR...

Microsoft wrote the CLR specifically to support as many common language functions as possible. C#, a language designed specifically for the CLR, implements only a fraction of the CLR.

I suggest you pick up the CLR design docs (available on Microsoft's web site), or take a look at the ECMA specs, before you start complaining about something you obviously know very little about.

""Adjusted" in the sense of MS-controlled and crippled... "

Wow... you're kidding, right?

The .NET CLR is an ECMA STANDARD, and you are COMPLETELY FREE to implement ANY LANGUAGE you want for it, as well as implement the CLR itself for ANY PLATFORM with ABOLSUTELY NO CONTROL OR SUPERVISION BY MICROSOFT.

Clear enough for you?

#6 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 6/20/2002 12:22:28 AM
Actually, the CLI is an EMCA standard, but you can build a full CLR from the CLI like Corel and the Mono guys did. The CLI is enough to have a full working standard.

Also, most of the languages were "adjusted" by their original creators or interest groups, not by MS. Many of those groups are all to happy to see their language have so much more functionality and a new life with the .NET Framework.

ActiveState had Perl.NET and Python.NET around the B2 timeframe, I think. They even had VS.NET plugins months before it was released. They did this on their own, MS didn't commission them.

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