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| Time: 16:40 EST/21:40 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Late last week in an online article The OmniGroup President, William Shipley (makers of OmniWeb for Mac OS X) opined that Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit (MacBU) would eventually stop development of Internet Explorer for the Macintosh. "Once they've killed off the competition in the Mac market, their best move is to start ignoring or wounding IE for the Mac, so that Mac users have a reason to switch to Windows," Shipley said. "Remember, Microsoft is in the business of selling Windows," he added. "That's what they do. Right now, they're writing free system software for Apple. In fact, it's less than free; they paid a large sum to force Apple to make IE the browser of choice for the last five years. Why would they do this? To kill Netscape. What happens when Netscape is dead? They bail." | ||
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| #1 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/11/2002 5:11:50 PM |
| Did you guys (beside macross) read the article? You other two seem to be off on some tangent, not related to this. Satyre, this article is hardly about Netscape, don't worry about it. And #3, there are probably more options for browsers on the Mac than on the PC, in fact, the whole point is: this guy is saying his product is one of them. |
| #2 By 2332 (165.247.7.45) at 6/11/2002 5:23:41 PM |
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"they paid a large sum to force Apple to make IE the browser of choice for the last five years"
Ah yes... the wonderful use of the word "force". They didn't force Apple to do anything. In fact, they saved Apple from themselves. At any rate, I don't doubt Microsoft will discontinue the development of Mac software sometime in the future, and for two good reasons: 1.) They make up a less than 5% of the market. 2.) Their platform directly competes with Microsoft's cash-cow: Windows. Both are valid and good business decisions. Perhaps Apple should get off their butts and write their own software. |
| #3 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/11/2002 6:22:05 PM |
| Cyberdog wasn't a browser, #10, it was a network-based component object of the whole OpenDoc/OpenTransport/Cyberdog attempt to create an advanced componentized interface. So what's your point? Most Mac users are using alt. browsers if they are on X--Chimera, OmniWeb, Opera, and iCab. |
| #4 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/11/2002 9:27:29 PM |
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Anon, at a Windows site? yeah, I think yoou need to say more?
It's weird--at Mac sites, posters are jumping on Shipley--they think he's FUDing to market his own software... I don't know why they don't see the truth to the theory that MS is letting IE suck on the Mac. Here, the softies are obsessed with trashing Netscape (even though the story isn't really about that) and don't know dick about alt. browsers on the Mac which is actually a thriving market of competition (which this story is really about--IE waning on the Mac in comparison with the alternatives). |
| #5 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 6/12/2002 9:07:24 AM |
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#3,
The shareware market is, indeed, VERY strong on the Mac. It's become especially active since MacOS X shipped. Head on over to www.versiontracker.com if you'd like to see how active it is. I can think of no less than FIVE alternate browsers for the Mac, and that's without even trying hard. The best of them is, IMHO, Mozilla 1.0 Release, mainly due to it's industrial strength mail client. TL |
| #6 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 6/12/2002 9:14:17 AM |
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RMD writes:
"They didn't force Apple to do anything. In fact, they saved Apple from themselves." Microsoft didn't save sh*t. Microsoft's 150 million investment in Apple was for publicity, pure and simple. Apple had over 2 Billion in the bank and no long-term debt when this deal went down. This whole thing was a TECHNOLOGY EXCHANGE and BUSINESS AGREEMENT, nothing less, nothing more. I just can't STAND this "Microsoft save poor old Apple" horsepuckies any more. Apple is going to survive or fail on their own, and Microsoft isn't going to have a heck of a lot to do with it either way. I don't particularly care for what Apple has done over the last 5 years. In fact, I can't personally stand Steve Jobs, and I think he's an idiot for killing off the Grass-Roots Mac community as badly as he has. They deserve enough criticism for official screwups and don't need manufacturered nonsense. They can look silly on their own, quite well thank you :) TL |
| #7 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 6/12/2002 9:14:58 AM |
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RMD writes:
"They didn't force Apple to do anything. In fact, they saved Apple from themselves." Microsoft didn't save sh*t. Microsoft's 150 million investment in Apple was for publicity, pure and simple. Apple had over 2 Billion in the bank and no long-term debt when this deal went down. This whole thing was a TECHNOLOGY EXCHANGE and BUSINESS AGREEMENT, nothing less, nothing more. I just can't STAND this "Microsoft save poor old Apple" horsepuckies any more. Apple is going to survive or fail on their own, and Microsoft isn't going to have a heck of a lot to do with it either way. I don't particularly care for what Apple has done over the last 5 years. In fact, I can't personally stand Steve Jobs, and I think he's an idiot for killing off the Grass-Roots Mac community as badly as he has. They deserve enough criticism for official screwups and don't need manufacturered nonsense. They can look silly on their own, quite well thank you :) TL |
| #8 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 6/12/2002 9:17:32 AM |
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SodaJerk Writes:
"#13 By sodajerk (795 Posts) at 6/11/2002 6:22:05 PM Cyberdog wasn't a browser, #10, it was a network-based component object of the whole OpenDoc/OpenTransport/Cyberdog attempt to create an advanced componentized interface." Dude, I'm impressed! You know your history :) TL |
| #9 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 6/12/2002 9:25:55 AM |
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Soda,
BTW... I have ever Apple Dealer CD, Service Source CD, Promotional CD etc... CD made between 1992 and 1998. As well as most developer CD's. I keep an old PowerMac 8100/80 around just for nastalgic trips down memory lane with some of this old stuff :) OpenDoc is one of the more interesting periods of technology at Apple. It was a wonderful idea that, unfortunately, never got off the ground. If I remember correctly, the main cause of it's death was the failure of third-party partners to meet their commitments concerning OpenDoc components. I'd have to research a while to find all the details :) Now I collect Microsoft stuff. Sheesh :) TL |
| #10 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 6/12/2002 11:47:55 AM |
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I don' t understand this nonsense of Microsoft abandoning Apple... I don't see any evidence of this. Are we talking more jerky boy "Well they could!" scenarios?
TechLarry - Anybody who tries to deny Microsoft bailed out Apple in '97 is kidding themselves. Without that $150 million stock purchase, and the commitment made to the Mac, Apple would probably have been bought out by Gateway or something. |
| #11 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 6/12/2002 4:29:44 PM |
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Sodablue,
That's utter crap. That's all I can say about it. $150 million is a spec of sand on the beach. TL |
| #12 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/12/2002 8:03:10 PM |
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Yeah, Tech, of course I know about CyberDog. Although I don't think it was so much an issue of 3rd parties that ultimately doomed it. I remember, back at the ... what?, I don't know, I think it was the second or last MacWorld Expo in Boston--the area where they have third-party, small, interesting development going on, there were five or six booths out of maybe ten that were all sporting cool OpenDoc modules... They were much cooler than the four or so that Apple had released--a text editor, spell check, cyberdog, can't really remember anything else... It was simply far, far ahead of its time--after all, web services still aren't there yet. It's also why I get pissed about Bruce Tog and Raskin ragging on Apple for not pushing newer, truly cutting edge interfaces. OpenDoc was exactly what they are talking about--accessing functions from anywhere, no discreet apps, etc...--Apple already did it, but the market didn't accept it. I'm sure there were other problems, and it was also bound to die with that old horse Copeland... Oh well...
Meanwhile, we have fools like soda to entertain us in this hybrid world of ours. This post was edited by sodajerk on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at 20:05. |
| #13 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 6/12/2002 11:57:10 PM |
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TechLarry - Believe what you will. But when it was announced AAPL jumped up 30%. That's hardly more than a spec of sand. At the time Apple was widely regarded as a has-been company and even less than the blip they currently are.
If Microsoft hadn't infused the resources necessary for Apple to push the iMac out the door, they wouldn't be here today in their present form. |
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