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Mozilla v1.0 unofficially released with 36,000 bugs | |
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| Time: 16:36 EST/21:36 GMT | News Source: The Weslovian Gazette | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Think Microsoft is hawking buggy software? Ready to make the move to Linux and "get rid of all your security worries?" Don't fret, let's talk about it. Today, Mozilla v1.0 is "unofficially" released. MozillaQuest reports that Mozilla v1.0 contains a mere 36,000 bugs... that's 12,000 "targeted" bugs and 24,000 "open" bugs. The Linux-targeted community of MozillaQuest is quick to point out that "targeted" bugs are bugs that have been verified by developers and is scheduled for fixing... someday. The 24,000 "open" bug count is likely to contain many duplicates, so you just can't count on that to be accurate. | ||
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| #1 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 5/29/2002 5:19:28 PM |
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The saddest part about this is that none of the mainstream news outlets (the same ones that exaggerated the bugs in MS' release of Win2K, or who trumpeted and heralded the preview release of NS 7 which is based on Mozilla 1.0) are covering this, much less slamming and mocking the Mozilla team as they had MS in the same situation.
Bunch of hypocritical morons they are. Found the dark side they have. This post was edited by daz on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 at 17:19. |
| #2 By 1845 (12.254.136.56) at 5/29/2002 5:22:13 PM |
| Well we all know this is obligatory - it is interesting that Microsoft was held in derision for releasing Windows 2000 with several thousand active bugs, yet when a Mozilla.org releases (this may not be final release, but since they are already to RC3, final is not too many hours from now) a product with thousands of bugs excuses are made. I understand that they are the same excuses Microsoft used - different severities, duplicates, etc., but still the comparison of defenses for our favored and not favored companies is quite interesting. |
| #3 By 1845 (12.254.136.56) at 5/29/2002 5:48:44 PM |
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lol @ #5!
I'm using Moz RC3 presently and I must say that I still quite prefer IE 6. |
| #4 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 5/29/2002 6:08:53 PM |
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I've tried Mozilla several times throughout it's cycle.
It's still a little too Netscape-ish for me, but not bad in general. That is until it crashes after 5 minutes and will never start again. Perhaps I have bad luck, but I've never managed to get Mozilla to run on a computer for more than a few minutes. Several computers, several OSes, same result. NS 6, ironically, seemed to be a little better, but eventually it too would die. |
| #5 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 5/29/2002 6:42:35 PM |
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*chuckle*
Mozilla will be released in two weeks? They've been saying that for 4 years now. :) If anything Mozilla is definately proof that open source does not produce better quality software in a shorter period of time with fewer bugs. But I'm sure that won't end the arguments claiming otherwise. :) |
| #6 By 2332 (165.247.2.46) at 5/29/2002 11:52:14 PM |
| I suspect this is exactly the same kind of "bug list" that Windows 2000 shipped with. Of course, the Windows 2000 bugs database included user suggests for future improvements as well, and I'm not sure these kinds of improvements are included in the Mozilla bug database. |
| #7 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 5/30/2002 12:26:17 AM |
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Alright, damnit, who let the stupid anonymous users into the cellar again?
#20: I don't know where to begin. You put words in my mouth, make accusations based on false pretenses. For the record, I don't HATE Linux, I don't HATE open source. I hate the rapid politics and stupid mudslinging the so-called leaders of both perpetuate. I hate the community that surrounds Linux for it's horrible attitude, acid tongue, and the hateful lies it perpetuates. I wish Linux was just Linux. A group of guys benevolently creating software the best way they know how. Hey, it may not be the best at everything it does, but by God we're trying hard to make it that way. Microsoft? Eh, they have their ups and downs. They have some good software ideas and some bad. We try to learn from their successes and failures and make ourselves better from the wisdom. That's a Linux I like. Fortunately, there are those out there who say such things. Unfortunately, they are in the minority. Open source? The free flow of information and ideas has always been paramount in this country and in the free world as a whole. There SHOULD be a place where developers can get together, share ideas and code and try to advance the state of computer science. If you avoid the commentary and news sections of sourceforge and focus solely on the code, it is a very productive and useful place. Sure, most of the software in there is complete crap (including my stuff), but that's not the point, or at least not the biggest point. The point is that people are trying to contribute, and though they may contribute 100,000 lines of source code, of which 99,000 lines are utter useless crap, there are 100 lines of complete genius which will help some other developer create a complete application. Also, for the record, I don't hate open source software or free software. I hate the politics behind it. I hate fascist people who attempt to abuse others to promote their own selfish agenda or legacy such as ESR or RMS. The GPL is horrible, IMHO because it FORCES people to do something they otherwise wouldn't do. It may be great for the original people who write the software, but it does not contribute well to the free-flow of ideas and the advancement of computer science. So, to recap, I hate the political idealogues that have managed to equate themselves with "Linux" and "Open Source" and have soured the image of otherwise useful and interesting ideas and products. I also hate this idea that Linux will somehow CONQUER Microsoft or any other company. IMHO, the honorable people are just the ones doing it because they love coding and because they love Linux and how they can work with it any which way they like. |
| #8 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 5/30/2002 12:32:36 AM |
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Oh, and two other quick things:
- I don't hate Mozilla. If you read, I kinda like it. not better than IE, but it's the best alternative I've seen to date. It's just that the damn thing never stays stable for more than a few days. Every time I've resigned myself to try again, it never fails. Perhaps they have the same old Netscape problem of never quite UNinstalling everything, so future builds are plagued by an older build's problems. However, I seem to have this crashing/dieing thing on every computer I've installed Mozilla on. Perhaps it's the way I install software on my box or something. - Liberalism, Socialism, Capitalism: I'm glad you associated liberalism with socialism, that's a good point. Secondly, socialism has it's place, albeit a small one. We have active socialism in our society. Some of it's good, some bad. IMHO, as long as socialism doesn't get in the way of capitalism, it's ok. For example, while I detest the very concept of Welfare, I understand that it DOES help SOME people, so I put up with it. However, recently, it has been getting in the way of capitalism by creating whole families and lineages of welfare recipients which isn't good for a market-based society. Yes, SourceForge is socialist concept, but it actually contributes to the furthering of capitalism by helping the otherwise failing and pathetic software industry grow and mature. What I do detest is the rapid fundamentalism and push of the GPL onto businesses and the coercing of companies like Dell, Sun, and others to face Linux or feel the wrath of the Fundy Linvocates who will mercilessly bomb, DDoS, and destroy the image of anyone who fails to comply with their draconian concepts. |
| #9 By 2062 (63.11.142.73) at 5/30/2002 2:35:19 AM |
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Just one word: netscapesucks
-gosh |
| #10 By 1845 (12.254.231.45) at 5/30/2002 3:03:48 AM |
| Well I needed a good chuckle. Reading this mass of "discussion" has certainly given me a laugh. |
| #11 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 5/30/2002 11:26:03 AM |
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prowsej: I agree. What I'm arguing about is the politics surrounding it. For example, how everyone criticized MS for releasing Windows with many bugs, and now you have an open source project (heralded as one of the leading projects) releasing with just as many.
So we see that the main critics of Microsoft themselves have just as many problems. |
| #12 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 5/30/2002 1:48:18 PM |
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Web developers coding for two platforms is not a new challenge.
However, in my experience, Mozilla does a decent job of rendering code that was built primarily for IE -- that is, before it crashes (Mozilla :) ). It's certainly better than Netscape 4.x, so the world will be a better place when/if Mozilla and IE are the dominant browsers which I suspect they will be. |
| #13 By 1845 (12.254.231.45) at 5/30/2002 2:14:25 PM |
| #40 According to several posters on MozillaZine.org it is NOT as fast as IE in most cases. In my personal experience on a PIII 850, 256RAM, running Windows XP I'd have to agree. |
| #14 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 5/30/2002 4:55:06 PM |
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Wasn't the reported number for Windows 2000 higher than this ?
TL |
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