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| Time: 02:52 EST/07:52 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Alex Harris | ||
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Sun Microsystems will announce version 9 of its Solaris operating system Wednesday along with a Microsoft-reminiscent strategy to integrate higher-level components. Solaris 9 will come bundled with the Sun Open Network Environment (Sun ONE) directory server, used for keeping track of network information, said Anil Gadre, Solaris general manager. And by the end of 2003, the Santa Clara, Calif.-based server seller also will build in into Solaris its application server for e-business tasks and Web server software for hosting Web sites, he said. The improvements increase the utility of Solaris, Sun's version of the Unix operating system, but Sun isn't adding the new features for free. Where the Solaris 8 was free for customers using the software on servers with eight or fewer processors, Solaris 9 will be free only on single-processor computers, Gadre said. But integrating more software into the operating system will save customers money that they won't have to spend on stand-along products, Gadre said. | ||
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| #1 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 5/22/2002 10:06:38 AM |
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OMG, is there no end to CNet blinding anti-MS hatred and bias?
They're attempting to make bundling software a "Microsoft" tactic. Give me a break. Since the dawn of software, there have been bundles. Sun has been bundling software with Solaris for as long as I can remember. The whole point of this story was to further drive home the point that MS is evil. CNet never wants you to forget that. They want to make you think that MS abuses its monopoly and trades unfairly, regardless of the truth. Be careful of the hidden agenda. |
| #2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 5/22/2002 10:33:53 AM |
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Well yeah, I don't know. It is interesting that Solaris will be including application server technology which was something MS did with NT4 Option Pack. (unless you talk to sodajerk who says MS doesn't make an app server product)
I also think it's interesting that Sun is moving back on their decision to give the OS away for free. I guess I won't be upgrading to Solaris 9 on my sparcstation since I have two procs. But then I suspect Sol9 wouldn't support my model anymore anyway. |
| #3 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 5/22/2002 12:59:56 PM |
| Where did this article categorize MS as evil or sucking? All it says is that Sun is bundling a web server with the OS as well. And, yes, soda, IIS is not an app server--notice how this puts them in the same position as Microsoft, but the article speaks of the pressure it places on BEA and IBM, not Microsoft. |
| #4 By 116 (129.116.86.41) at 5/22/2002 1:21:46 PM |
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Jerk,
IIS is an App Server! Have you never used it? What would make you say it isn't? |
| #5 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 5/22/2002 2:16:32 PM |
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#5, sodajerk:
It is implied, not stated. First, the whole premise of the article re: tying software = Microsoft is flawed. Many other software companies bundle and tie software. It is not an exclusively Microsoft tactic, nor was it invented by Microsoft. So it's odd that CNet would place that distinction with Microsoft when there is no merit to doing so. So, we must ask, why? In the press (including CNet), MS has been demonized for their bundling and tying of software. Thus, the public has been led to believe that tying = Microsoft = Bad/Evil. By CNet comparing the villianous, evil tying of software that SUN is doing to the evil Microsoft, they have gone for pure 100% shock value/sensationalism. There's an implied hatred of MS, an implied definition of bundling as evil, and an implied comparison between Sun and Microsoft and it's sickening to me that CNet attempts to pass this off as journalism. |
| #6 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 5/22/2002 2:27:17 PM |
| daz, that's your own paranoid brain working. This article seems ambivalent about whether this is a good or bad thing for Sun--I don't see the Sun is becoming evil because it is doing something like MS which is evil point that you are gathering from it. The only reason a comparison to MS is happening is because the other providers have traditionally separated web/app server from server OS packaging (HP, IBM, BEA, and Sun). "the whole premise of the article re: tying software = Microsoft is flawed" The whole premise? What the hell you reading? I don't see them trying to make a conclusion that as a result of bundling MS software is flawed. Nor do I see MS invovled in the premise of this article; the premise of this article is that Sun is changing their strategy to take on BEA. But whatever, paranoid delusionals. |
| #7 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 5/22/2002 2:50:44 PM |
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For the paranoid psychotics, here's the only parts mentioning Microsoft:
"Directory software is used to provide fast access to information such as the myriad username-password combinations that govern computer users' access to different computing resources. Microsoft's technology for the job is called Active Directory; directory pioneer Novell has its own competing software. Microsoft also bundles Web server software called Internet Information Server with server versions of Windows, giving the operating system the ability to host Web sites by creating and sending pages to browsers across the Internet." Yeah, that's just oozing bias, false claims, consipracy theories, and disparaging implications! |
| #8 By 116 (129.116.86.41) at 5/22/2002 4:12:17 PM |
| SodaJerk why is IIS not an app server? |
| #9 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 5/22/2002 6:51:09 PM |
| Red, it's not an app server because it doesn't provide the functionality of the products in the category of app server. These products have defined their own product category because they aren't just web servers, they are something more--app servers. IIS and Apache do more than serve html, but they do not have the feature set of an app server--although these products do compare quite well in belong together in the category of web server. If you were to look at WebSphere or WebLogic or iPlanet or Bluestone--IIS simply does not compare or provide the functionality of these "app servers." |
| #10 By 6253 (12.237.192.187) at 5/22/2002 7:32:37 PM |
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IIS is not an app server, but MTS (and its decendent COM+) is. IIS 4.0 actually runs under MTS, and IIS 5.0 runs under COM+ Services.
Roger Sessions was once one of the leading figures in the CORBA world. Check out his writings and lectures about MTS and COM+ beating not merely CORBA but EJB/J2EE in performance, reliability, scalability, and programmer productivity. |
| #11 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 5/22/2002 7:42:52 PM |
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even there you are failing my definition, hole. Is CORBA and J2EE app servers? No, they are programming environments/platforms. There isn't even a product named COM+ that you could buy and deploy on its own to develop, deploy, and manage web-based applications so it certainly fails my definition.
It's just a product definition, people. Don't worry about it, don't cry about it, don't get paranoid. But MS simply doesn't have a comparable product without buying into many different MS products and deploying many different services on the server end apart from and in addition to IIS and COM and VS and etc, etc, etc... |
| #12 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 5/22/2002 9:54:01 PM |
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sodajerk - app server simply means transaction manager.
You seem to be confused because some app server packages such as Websphere include development tools. |
| #13 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 5/23/2002 1:08:23 PM |
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No, I'm not confused. I am using a product category definition that is relatively well-defined byy packaging, features, and cost. I'm not looking for the most general or abstract definition what an app server does. A word processor makes text files--is WordPad or NotePad in the same product category as Word. No, there are text editors and word processors.
WebSphere, Bluestone, WebLogic, iPlanet, and Borland's (I think it's) Enterprise all have development tools. But that's not even the most important part of the equation for me either so I don't know what your point is. |
| #14 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 5/23/2002 4:39:48 PM |
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as I said, but you can't understand, I am saying my definition is a product category definition--something I find more relevant than a general description. Under your description, there are standards, APIs, technologies, languages, and applications that are all application servers. There would be no way to assess a "package" of app server services... That's ridiculous and you are just trying to favor Microsoft for some bizarre reason. Would you consider CORBA, Java, Perl, etc... app servers? That's silly. So why are you trying to push ISAPI as an app server? That's idiotic, try talking to anyone that way--"My app server went down today." "Oh, what are you running WebSphere?" "No, ISAPI." "Ha, Ha, Ha!" This post was edited by sodajerk on Thursday, May 23, 2002 at 19:34. |
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