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Microsoft ploy to block Sun exposed | |
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| Time: 14:13 EST/19:13 GMT | News Source: News.com | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Microsoft executives apparently attempted to steer the direction of a Web services standards body away from rival Sun Microsystems, according to evidence and testimony introduced during the software giant's ongoing antitrust trial. E-mail messages from Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates and other executives, introduced during testimony last week, offer rare insight into the political maneuverings of the company. In an e-mail to top executives, Gates indicated that he approved of Microsoft's involvement with the Web Services Interoperability Organization (WS-I) as long as Sun's role was minimized. | ||
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| #1 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 5/14/2002 2:25:00 PM |
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Uhh, there was no ploy here. Microsoft simply was unwilling to work with a company who has a goal of shooting down interesting technologies.
On this point I don't blame them. |
| #2 By 1190 (63.28.229.252) at 5/14/2002 2:38:56 PM |
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My question is...why did Microsoft name one of its projects after me? :-P
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| #3 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 5/14/2002 3:03:19 PM |
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OMFG.
I almost can't stand this kind of crap anymore. Sun IN NO WAY deserves to be a founding member of the WS-I. Can ANYBODY provide me with a SINGLE thing that Sun did to promote or embrace web services 2 years ago or earlier? Microsoft *invented* SOAP, they embraced XML, they helped create XSD, and they created .NET. IBM embraced XML, pushed SOAP, and they added serious support for Web Services to Web Sphere. Sun did NOTHING until they were absolutely FORCED to do something by the market demand. ARG! |
| #4 By 61 (65.32.169.133) at 5/14/2002 3:17:50 PM |
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RMD, exactly.
Sun has fought from the very begining against web services, why should they be aloud to be a founding member? It's not like Microsoft is blocking Sun's ability to be just a general member of the organization. |
| #5 By 1896 (208.61.159.116) at 5/14/2002 5:22:33 PM |
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#3 Do you have any idea about how companies compete against each other? Of course I want to increase my presence in a sector, get in a new one where I am not present, grab as much attention I can etc. How to do that? Most of the time you take these things from your competitors. If you could read the internal memos of every succesfull company you would see the same wording and aggressiveness.
Companies don' t survive using tax payer moneys like State Attorneys, lobbysts etc. ... at least not until this pathetic show began. |
| #6 By 1896 (208.61.159.116) at 5/14/2002 5:27:23 PM |
| And talking about companies "aggressiveness" what about the affair between Oracle and the State of California? |
| #7 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 5/14/2002 5:49:40 PM |
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#3 - " and at least when the company is undeniably caught with its pants down, don't defend them irrationally - it just makes you look stupid. "
Or attack them irrationally, as you and #2 are doing. "I'm not saying "ooo! now they're the evil empire! it's been proven!" but at least have some common sense and admit when things aren't going their way. " Please use your common sense. "Otherwise you look like you're sucking their you-know-what and it taints all your previous and future opinions... " Very good point. So how is McNealy's you-know-what anyway? |
| #8 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 5/14/2002 7:20:20 PM |
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Let me clarify something:
I do *not* think they should be blocked from joining the WS-I, just blocked from becoming a founding member, which clearly, they are not. I think any large company that has as big an install base as Sun has the right to be a member of a group determining industry standards. They do NOT have the right, however, to have founding member status. Period. |
| #9 By 1896 (208.61.156.32) at 5/14/2002 7:22:51 PM |
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Here you can read an interesting update about how Oracle distributed "donations" to some people in Ca. I don' t know if these donations can be defined "soft money" but surely is interesting.
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-912704.html?tag=fd_top |
| #10 By 1845 (12.254.162.119) at 5/14/2002 9:06:58 PM |
| No company has a right to be a member of anything. IBM and Microsoft can have a private club if they want a private club. Sun isn't too keen on Microsoft joining its Liberty Alliance. Why should Microsoft be keen on Sun joining its web services group? |
| #11 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 5/14/2002 10:35:23 PM |
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#15 - Microsoft never prevented Sun from joining as a member. They only object to them joining as a founding member, which is a perfectly valid objection.
It has nothing to do with "private clubs". |
| #12 By 4209 (163.192.21.2) at 5/15/2002 3:34:37 PM |
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#17 because there browser has %90 market share and they can.
#18 tell that to Steve Jobs, he was the founder of Apple before they fired him years ago. Tell that to Ross Perot, he founded EDS and was forced to sell it by the board and booted as well. Founders mean nothing in todays society, now the board or the general conensus has all the say. In this case who cares, when Sun can come up with something that works and is innovative then they can have a say. This post was edited by mctwin2kman on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 15:36. |
| #13 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 5/15/2002 4:46:36 PM |
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#18 - That's a good point, but do you have any information to suggest that founders have extra control over the process?
Even if they did, I think those that first developed the technology and helped push it should be the ones who have the final say over how it works. |
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