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Microsoft's IE9: Don't believe the hype | |
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| Time: 08:06 EST/13:06 GMT | News Source: The Register | Posted By: Andi Stabryla | ||
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Internet Explorer 9, now in release candidate phase, is Microsoft's answer. Highlights include hardware-accelerated graphics, a new fast JavaScript engine codenamed Chakra, deep integration with Windows 7, and a stripped-down user interface intended to be less intrusive | ||
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| #1 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 2/14/2011 9:49:53 AM |
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Misleading title. The author generally gives a favorable review.
For me the release candidate is really good. Too bad I'm stuck on XP at work until my laptop comes up for renewal. |
| #2 By 15406 (209.87.228.158) at 2/14/2011 2:02:53 PM |
| What hype? |
| #3 By 20505 (75.82.15.18) at 2/14/2011 3:37:07 PM |
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Agree w/ Latch. No particular hype for this release. Still as mentioned in the article a very good browser and my current fave.
Heck, even my wife has given up on Firefox. Face it; except for add-ons Firefox is dead. By the way, it's not IE that's going to kill the Fox but Google/Chrome/Android. FF will die a slow death. I'm not very familiar with the Open Source community but aren't they getting a little peeved that all their hard work is going to be co-oped by Google? |
| #4 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 2/14/2011 9:29:56 PM |
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Especially since Google bought them for cheap, Oldog. For years, FF/Moz lived off the money Google paid them for using Google as their default search engine - rounding at about 350 million a year - dirt cheap for all the traffic FF/Moz and the ABM crowd sent their way - as they pounded away at IE with security research and one leaked vuln. after another.
The traffic is fascinating - hardly masking the security softballs thrown FF/Moz's way, as they would publish security research only after providing FF/Moz the fix - making it ever so easy to follow up "leaked" or published vulnerabilities with quick fixes, cementing their role as the "secure browser of choice." All the while parrots eager to show their superior Internet street cred declared FF the browser of the enlightened... <puke> Meanwhile, Google was developing its own browser and swearing to FF/Moz when news of it first appeared, that it was nothing serious and never intended to displace FF/Moz. As this was playing out, MS assembled some hitters and quietly started to build layer after layer on a new architecture - keeping only the "standards" guys and PR out front. The performance and security folks being kept well behind several walls - not unlike the many layers they have been adding. I swear, it is freaking amateur hour around the entire world. "ya can't out chuck chuck" is more relevant today than it was when all this stuff was dreamed up. In the end, "Privacy" will gut Google and as it becomes increasingly more difficult for them to cross-correlate data, the real money they make will dry up and we'll turn the page. Oh yes, there is more... so much more... The problem with the left is that they really believe their own BS. For now, that's all you get. |
| #5 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 2/15/2011 6:17:04 AM |
| ummm, not sure how we slid into politics but, whatever. |
| #6 By 15406 (209.87.228.158) at 2/15/2011 8:56:01 AM |
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#3: There is nothing that says "the community" can't keep developing FF as long as they want. That's part of the beauty of open source: it evolves organically and people contribute where they want to. If Chrome ends up taking mindshare from FF, well, them's the breaks in the online survival of the fittest. This, in turn, improves the competition.
#4: As this was playing out, MS assembled some hitters and quietly started to build layer after layer on a new architecture - keeping only the "standards" guys and PR out front. The performance and security folks being kept well behind several walls - not unlike the many layers they have been adding. After reading that, I had a vision of the Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns and Smithers are going to the most secure part of the plant with blast doors, retina scanners and facial structure verifiers validating their every move-- only to get to the heart of all this security to find a rusty, screen door left ajar and a dog wandering around inside. I have no idea why I made that mental connection. #5: It's just St Ketchum and his anti-Google angry rantings again. Plus, he still can't wrap his head around the fact that reality has a liberal bias. Update: Two peas in a pod... http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/02/15/1349242/Glen-Beck-Warns-Viewers-Not-To-Use-Google This post was edited by Latch on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 at 09:35. |
| #7 By 16797 (99.236.146.135) at 2/15/2011 9:08:33 AM |
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#4 "The problem with the left is that they really believe their own BS."
As opposed to the right, where not even they believe their own BS? :-) But Lloyd.. why here.. and again? |
| #8 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 2/15/2011 1:32:58 PM |
| Glen Beck is my hero. Anyone who can make such a good living being a complete ignoramus gives me hope that long after, mad cow or alzheimers, or strokes tear up my brain and leave me drooling, I’ll still be able to make a living. |
| #9 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 2/15/2011 2:01:38 PM |
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#7, because everything is driven by it. Human behaviors/motivations.
Conservatives believe that economics are not zero sum - and any two parties may gain +1, because economies of scale have increased by +4 (or more). Progressives assume, as mercantilists did, that for any one party to gain, someone has to lose. I don't agree with that, and as humans we’re meant to aspire and grow - not pursue mediocrity, or some acceptable level of lesser existence. Also, be very careful. Maybe you haven't seen what the left does - I have. They slaughter people in their millions. Anyone who says it cannot happen here, hasn't lived long enough. The path we are on now cannot be sustained, because there just isn't any more that govt. can take from those that produce, and frankly, there just aren't enough uber rich people to vilify and rob. That leaves companies as the only remaining sources of the kind of money our leaders need if they are to save it, and I doubt even that would be enough. The second a basket of currencies is used as the reserve for global trade, it's over and our economy will shrink by 9 trillion dollars or more. And Google? Long before any online, radio, or TV pundit ever mentioned them, I knew they were dangerous and as I said then, we differ greatly in how we define "evil" - and having spent most of my life protecting U.S. interests (e.g., "The People") any breach of their privacy is an issue and when that information is shared with any government, it's more than dangerous in my view. It's so fundamentally wrong that there are no words to express how much of a violation it is. The irony perhaps, is that they have already lost - they just don't know how bad yet. That's the nice part, and as Jefferson said: "Rejoice, we should rejoice." |
| #10 By 16797 (99.236.146.135) at 2/15/2011 2:48:11 PM |
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#9 "Also, be very careful. Maybe you haven't seen what the left does - I have. They slaughter people in their millions. Anyone who says it cannot happen here, hasn't lived long enough. ..."
Oh, yeah, better be careful with that Kenyan guy... :-)) As I said: not even you believe that BS. Please. |
| #11 By 8556 (173.27.244.6) at 2/15/2011 2:59:30 PM |
| Lloyd: "... there just aren't enough uber rich people to vilify and rob". Sure there are. They simply avoid being beat up with taxes with accounting wizardry. While we're at it, the last quarter in calendar 2010 was the first time in 3 years that the increase in the money supply equaled the "growth" of GDP. That means that the economy finally stabilized for real, for one quarter. Previously, the Fed created money to make the GDP appear to be growing, while it was actually shrinking, using the equation GPD=V (velocity of turnover) x M (money supply). That type of Fed lying with statistics can't go on forever. Therefore, Don't Believe the FED Hype. Go to their website and see what they've been doing to the supply of dollars. It's staggering. |
| #12 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 2/15/2011 8:34:06 PM |
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#12, actually, with the small portion of real inflation the government counted - 2.7% - that 3.2% growth evaporates 3.2 - 2.7 = 1.5% growth. If commodities (like wheat, sugar, corn and oil) were factored as they should be, the economy actually shrank.
RAM prices fell, so that was a good thing, but getting said RAM was another story. Also, we're buying a lot more of our own debt than is being reported - don't forget the 80 - 120 bln / month buys scheduled when QE2's initial sum was announced. And Gonzo, don't even man... don't couch reasonable opposition to policy in any other light than that - not with me; I've been nothing but kind to all people here - search my posts from early 2009 - I said then that if they were going to spend, 800 bln wasn't close enough to what was needed - if that were to have been the strategy, I offered and AGREED with the President, that it needed to be at least double that. It's too late for that now. We're not going to agree on this stuff, so I'll let it go - sorry to have introcduced it, but it is relevant. I don't know you guys, but I like you and I don't want to see any American suffer. I sure don't want to see you guys get hammered, but do trust me, our economy and our people are in a bucket load of trouble and there is no stopping it. And about Obama, I pray for the man every single day, but he is really, really wrong and horribly ineperienced. Nice enough guy, but way out of his element. This post was edited by lketchum on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 at 20:51. |
| #13 By 16797 (99.236.146.135) at 2/16/2011 10:04:27 AM |
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#12 "Reasonable opposition"? This is your reasonable opposition:
Also, be very careful. Maybe you haven't seen what the left does - I have. They slaughter people in their millions. Anyone who says it cannot happen here, hasn't lived long enough. And.. haven't you noticed that kind of talk gets people hurt? Yet you talk about somebody else.. Sigh. |
| #14 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 2/16/2011 12:32:03 PM |
| #13, Did the Communists not kill millions? Mostly from among those that initially supported them? They did and you know it. Do you think they would ever do differently at any point in the future? If they co-opt the progressives in this country, as they did in every other country where they took power, do you think it would be any different? |
| #15 By 16797 (99.236.146.135) at 2/16/2011 1:45:24 PM |
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#14 Is extreme right also not known as fascism?
So? What is your point? Stop being silly. You're not that old. |
| #16 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 2/16/2011 5:14:38 PM |
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Iketchum:
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a God." Who is innocent here?........... Nobody.............. Not Julius Ceasar, not Gengis Khan and not your hero: Andrew Jackson Who is the villan? The human race...... It is not left or right, religious or atheist; it is just us, human beings. |
| #17 By 47914 (173.59.42.198) at 2/16/2011 6:28:48 PM |
| Well, all I know is, I just logged in to my gmail account for the first time in a month or so, and had to click a "down arrow" next to my name to "sign out". I think that is evidence that google is "all about" tracking your activity. They are basically HIDING the ability to sign out in order to track your online activities. Privacy???, I don't think so. |
| #18 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 2/16/2011 7:31:55 PM |
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Gonzo, fascists were "National Socialists" - socialists that allowed select compliant corporations to exist - so long as they served the state. They were not "Hard Right" in any way except that they opposed the Bolshevics (big / larger after the 2nd party congress who supported Lenin) in the same way the Men'sheviki (les / smaller) did.
And yes, I am quite old. Politically, those on the hard right are often confused with those that are simply pragmatists, or private citizens that simply wish to live in peace and free of the costs and intrusion of big government. I'm not sure there is a "hard right" - while there are simply people filled with hate, but I'm not sure they are smart enough, or well enough read to have a political existence we'd recognize. Guys like me just don't ask for, or want any "help" and we'd rather take care of people directly, or through our churches and private schools. We just don't want or need a government to take care of us and we don't like how they waste so much money. |
| #19 By 16797 (99.236.146.135) at 2/16/2011 11:38:43 PM |
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#18 I started writing a long answer, but.. it is pointless, here's why:
And yes, I am quite old. That alone should be reason enough to let younger people shape this world the way they want it. It was them who put Obama in charge and they do not want what you want, obviously. You can't win that war and you know it. You lost already. (False excuses like "they don't know" are not acceptable. You didn't know and still don't know.) |
| #20 By 8556 (173.27.244.6) at 2/17/2011 12:31:19 AM |
| #19: Everyone has a point of view and is entitled to express it. One can agree or disagree based on their point of view. Mine is that Fascism is a government system run in cahoots with corporations/banks for the benefit of the rulers and the rich. Sounds like the US today. Socialism is a state of attempting to share wealth from the top down. Sounds like the US from the late 1930's through today. What we in the US have is a system of two extremes that manage to work/fight together at the expense of the middle class. With the current incredible debt that is only going to grow, expect the US dollar to be worth about 50 cents or less, very soon, to pay for said debt. History shows no other way, except to stop spending. The US is hooked on debt and there is no rehab for it. |
| #21 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 2/17/2011 1:26:50 AM |
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Gonzo, when it goes south this time, where are you going to go? You once told us you had to leave your home as a boy and you went to a country that most certainly has benefitted from having a rich and powerful neighbor to protect it. I know that was not easy, and not your choice, but now that you would have a choice, what would it be? Where would one go? As your people left, mine went in (again) to protect people we didn't even agree with, because what was happening was simply wrong. We risked our lives (again), for those we didn't even know, because protecting them and fighting for their liberty early on in a conflict prevented even larger wars from consuming even more lives. I wasn't young then and it sure wasn't my first rodeo, but I have to tell you, I always got sad seeing young men who could have fought for their own people (they were certainly old enough and they were trained) run away - it didn't make a lot of sense to me. They left and many ended up in Canada sniping away at the U.S. and its foreign policy. Contrary to what you might think, I listened to them, and didn't even counter them. I tried to understand things from their perspective. It still would not stop me from trying to protect the less strong from those that would harm them.
Yes, Obama was elected President and our Congress was in Democrat hands from 2007 until just a few weeks ago. Two years after electing him, the people spoke again and handed the Democrats (are there really any of those left?) such a defeat that for the first time in more than 70 years, they have fewer than 200 seats in the House - the Senate will be in conservative hands in less than two years - when a great many of them are up for election. The system worked, and a radical course was in part, corrected. Of course, Bobsireno is right, it is too late, but again I ask, what will you do when we get a nasty head cold? When the markets no longer need your country's goods to the extent that they do now? What do you think will happen? I'll stop exercising my voice and asserting that we need to really understand what the corporations around us are doing with our information, when they put me in the ground. After that, the great guys who choose to work with me will have many millions with which to carry on the effort - and I am certain they will do it - working to serve the individual. You know one thing that always made me sick? It is when the left refers to the "common man" - as if only a few are exceptional. I believe ALL are exceptional and worthy of being afforded every right as individuals - who must stand on their own and access their full potential. Please think about what that means. There are no common men. All are individuals and that is my point. No one has the right to "pick my pocket or break my leg" (or yours). For now, I’m going to continue to out chuck chuck and kick his young backside so far up his back, he’ll be wearing it for a hat – and it will be broken, having a giant crack in it. |
| #22 By 16797 (99.236.146.135) at 2/17/2011 8:21:16 AM |
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Lloyd, our disagreement is that you are presenting Obama and his policies as far left. I disagree. And that is it, nothing else.
As for my family moving: I don't see a problem. Some came 500 years ago, some came yesterday. Some will come. Economies do benefit from immigration, don't they? But it has nothing to do with our discussion. (One more thing: more often than not I am defending US foreign policies. I think you confused me with someone else. You won't hear me criticizing US in general that much, if at all.) As for 2010 elections: young voters did not vote and hence your victory. By the way, when economy is not doing well, party in power loses. That is good, in my opinion, but I don't think it has anything to do with Obama's "radical course" simply his course is not radical in my view. But here's something for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9yoZHs6PsU You want to go to days before that? How smart is that, to move backward in time? This post was edited by gonzo on Thursday, February 17, 2011 at 08:35. |
| #23 By 16797 (99.236.146.135) at 2/17/2011 11:43:25 AM |
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Lloyd, one more thing:
As your people left, mine went in (again) to protect people we didn't even agree with, because what was happening was simply wrong. We risked our lives (again), for those we didn't even know, because protecting them and fighting for their liberty early on in a conflict prevented even larger wars from consuming even more lives. I wasn't young then and it sure wasn't my first rodeo, but I have to tell you, I always got sad seeing young men who could have fought for their own people (they were certainly old enough and they were trained) run away - it didn't make a lot of sense to me. I am thinking about this whole morning. I think you are talking about Kosova.. or Bosnia? Well, if you are, I think you again confused me with someone else. On the other hand, you and Google aren't that much different: looks to me you both collect information, it's just that Google gets it right :-) |
| #24 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 2/17/2011 11:57:28 AM |
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"I always got sad seeing young men who could have fought for their own people (they were certainly old enough and they were trained) run away - it didn't make a lot of sense to me."
Wars aren't noble, causes are noble and I defy anyone to convince me that Vietnam was a noble cause. I really can't blame anyone from running away from that lie. |
| #25 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 2/17/2011 1:30:05 PM |
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Gonzo, no, not collecting, just working from an obviously failed memory in this case. Regrets.
The points and questions do remain valid, in my view. It is a myth that the "youth vote" mattered in 2008, or any election before or since. While the numbers were higher on 08, they weren't sufficient to have mattered. In 2010, what "changed" was the previously "Silent Majority" wasn't silent anymore and that block of voters came out in numbers that were higher than during Presidential election years - and for two years, that same silent majority took responsibility for itself, donated to campaigns, worked for candidates and then voted. The results were staggering and for the first time in modern memory, Democrat losses were so great it will be 20 years or more before they are in the same position as in 2007 - 2010. This is due to the huge wins in key state legislatures, which for many, are now in Republican hands for the first time in over a century. The districts will be re-drawn as such, and it will be very hard for Democrats to counter this. Obama and his allies were slaughtered, and the effects of that will not be clearly evident until 2013 when the next President, and the next House/Senate are seated. My hope is that it is not too late. Similarly, my hope is also that people will be a lot more like the guys here - independent, self-reliant and charitable. I appreciate your opinions and the discourse and again, regrets as regards my failed memory. This post was edited by lketchum on Thursday, February 17, 2011 at 13:50. |
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