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Windows Live Wave 4: Another Microsoft deliverable with no XP support? | |
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| Time: 10:42 EST/15:42 GMT | News Source: ZDNet | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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It’s impossible to know for sure, given Microsoft’s continued unwillingness to talk specifics about it, but it’s looking like Windows Live Wave 4 — like Internet Explorer 9 — isn’t going to support Windows XP. According to a new blog post on LiveSide.Net, internal milestone test builds of Windows Live Wave 4 only work on Windows Vista with Service Pack (SP) 2 installed and higher. The same is true of IE 9, Microsoft officials conceded earlier this month; both the first developer preview and the final release of IE9 require a minimum of Vista with SP2. Windows Live Wave 4 is the collection of services including Windows Live Mail, Messenger instant-messaging, Writer blogging tool, Photo Gallery, Movie Maker and other optional software/service add-ons designed to supplement Windows. A subset of these services is bundled together and available via a single installer (Windows Live Essentials). | ||
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| #1 By 2960 (72.205.26.164) at 3/29/2010 2:20:02 PM |
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Pretty lousy economy and timing to try and force people into purchasing expensive OS upgrades. MS will make no friends over this one.
And since is Vista is dead (don't give me no crap, you KNOW it's dead :)), that means MS's goal is for millions of Win7 upgrades. Windows 7 is the best Windows to date, but I think MS is going to be really surprised by the push-back on all this XP-killing they are trying, both from consumers and the press. |
| #2 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 3/29/2010 3:15:45 PM |
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XP can't die fast enough.
Kill it. Kill it dead and roll out the far more efficient hardware now available. Lower energy requirements, and lower support costs. Personally, I cannot wait for XP to be gone. It's day has passed and while it was a good OS in the right hands, it needs to go. |
| #3 By 12071 (202.43.129.17) at 3/29/2010 5:51:34 PM |
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#1 The problem that they have is that they need people to spend more money purchasing their latest software... it didn't happen naturally so they first tried the whole "upgrade or else" we won't support XP anymore. That still didn't have a big enough net effect so the next step is "upgrade or else" we won't release anymore software for XP.
I'm not sure if this is all due to XP being "good enough" for more users/uses and hence there isn't a lot of value to be seen in upgrading or if Vista being such a PoS has in some way scared them out of the usual upgrade to the new Windows OS every 4 years or so. I would guess that it's the former but I guess we'll see what happens. |
| #4 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 3/29/2010 7:57:54 PM |
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Gents,
MS is a software company. They need people to buy new software to stay in business. They really don't care if people use the same hardware. For MS XP needs to die, the sooner the better. MS like Apple will obsolete their software in time. Apple will insist you get new hardware to go with your new software. Google on the other hand insists you watch ads and don't care on wit about hardware or software. |
| #5 By 13997 (71.193.149.254) at 3/29/2010 8:53:53 PM |
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Everyone keeps acting like they are doing this on purpose to force people to ugprade.
Although it may factor into the decision, this is NOT the reason products are unable to run on XP properly. MS for the first time is abandoning legacy API sets and actually using many of the new APIs and display technologies that are built into Vista and Win7 and are technilogically IMPOSSIBLE to run on XP. This is MS moving forward with newer software designs and taking advantage of the features introduced in Vista that are now becoming 'standard' with the adoption of Win7. This makes the software BETTER, even though it leaves XP out. Guess what, they write software to be as useful and functional as possible using the technology at hand. Do people expect a Win3.1 version of every piece of software too? Geesh... |
| #6 By 8556 (173.27.242.53) at 3/29/2010 11:50:34 PM |
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#2: Lloyd, I tell the same thing to my customers. The problem is that we have about 12% official unemployment rate with about half that many having given up finding a job for now. That translates to almost 1 out of 5 people in my area not able to upgrade to Win7. MS should stop crushing these folks as all it is doing is driving them to alternate browsers on XP. The well off (thank heaven that they support my company) and business customers are fine with Win7 and love it. I only use 64-bit Win7 and explain why it is superior. The ones stuck on XP get ThreatFire, Firefox with WOT and Adblock Plus (to block the nefarious rogue program pop under ads) and instructions on how to quickly remove most infections in Safe Mode. These people will be back. Maybe MS could offer a one time (again) Win7 upgrade at $50. $120 is too high for the average user.
#5: That's harsh. XP is on 50+ percent of PCs. Why not help these people in some way in the midst of the worst financial crisis in 70 years instead of essentially saying "We don't care about you." While that has never really been said, it is the message being received. Fact is we all have to do what we do to server our customer base as has been and still is. |
| #7 By 2201 (83.244.234.228) at 3/30/2010 3:47:14 AM |
| #6 Microsoft, like most businesses, aren't a charity. Fact is, no one needs things like Windows Live Wave 4. If you refuse to upgrade, then you will have to accept the fact that companies will drop support for some of their software on certain OSes at some point. Companies can't support stuff for ever. |
| #8 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 3/30/2010 7:46:04 AM |
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#6, Yes, I am very sensitive to the unemployment numbers - rather to the people that truly cannot find work. Microsoft however, cannot shape their business operations and practices around that. #7 points out something important - Indeed, MS is not a charity and the more they and other companies are forced to act like one, the more slowly the larger economy will recover. The irony is that the more profitable Microsoft and other companies are, the more tax revenue they will produce to offset the massive spending the central government has undertaken. As it is, the only answer they seem to have is to monetize the debt - e.g., print massive amounts of money that render it worthless.
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| #9 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 3/30/2010 8:43:25 AM |
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Based on the leaked images, the new Messenger looks ugly so it might not be such a big deal.....
About the support of XP: as many stated MS is in business to make profit, if people will stay with the old OS the company could decide to port Wave 4 to it. |
| #10 By 8556 (173.27.242.53) at 3/30/2010 2:56:48 PM |
| #7, 8: Pure BS. MS can do what they want. They are penalizing loyal XP users. By the way, I agree with you guys on moving to Windows 7. I just think that MS is being insensitive in a brutal economy and their actions will be remembered by XP users that would love to move up but can't right now. |
| #11 By 13997 (71.193.149.254) at 3/30/2010 3:06:37 PM |
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#6 If people are using XP, that is fine THEY ARE LOSING NOTHING...
It is not like Microsoft is removing the current Wave3 generation of Live applications, and they work great, just like XP works great for these people. So for XP users they are not losing anything, understand? XP has limitations, but you are right it is GOOD enough for people or people that can't afford to upgrade. However, you can't expect MS or every other company to target XP ONLY when designing NEW SOFTWARE. XP also can't handle DX10 or DX11 concepts, and this was not a 'marketing' reason, it is because there is no VRAM Virtualization or GPU Scheduler, things that DX10 and DX11 use and DEPEND on being available. There are a lot of companies developing new products that will not support XP, just as they are no longer supporting Win95, Win2k or other older OSes as the NEW OSes provide NEW TOOLS and PLATFORM technologies that just doesn't work on the older OSes. MS is not the only one here, and has given XP more of a life with including Wave3 in the Live updates, even though it 'regressed' the code base so the products were less that what they could have been for Vista or Win7 users. Sometimes software has to move forward, and targeting a 10yr old OS and concepts is just insane at this point. You don't see Apple targetting OS X users running 10.0, and it is the most expensive OS upgrade path of all mainstream OSes. |
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