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Microsoft: We weren't talking about Windows Mobile 7 at CES | |
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| Time: 03:17 EST/08:17 GMT | News Source: BetaNews | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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A Microsoft spokesperson contacted Betanews today requesting we clarify a story we brought you during the tail end of CES 2010. Specifically, we presented an interview with Windows Phone Senior Marketing Manager Greg Sullivan entitled, "Finally, what to expect from Windows Mobile 7 and Windows Phone." At the time, we were under the impression that the interview was providing us with a taste of what we could expect from Mobile World Congress in February, and I suggested that Windows Mobile 7 was "only two months away," even though "Microsoft really [wasn't] talking about Windows Mobile 7 specifically." | ||
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| #1 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 1/16/2010 12:52:31 PM |
| The entire saga is getting better and better....... (Sarcasm) |
| #2 By 89249 (64.207.240.90) at 1/16/2010 4:46:32 PM |
| Would be nice if the reporters in tech would start reporting facts rather than rumors. |
| #3 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 1/16/2010 5:18:33 PM |
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#2, Reporting in our industry is so bad that I have had to stop reading it and listening to it.
The problem seems to based in the fact they the people writing and speaking don't actually work with the technologies - so they are most often focused on the consumer side of things and to only some limited degree. I've just turned away from it all. |
| #4 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 1/16/2010 6:03:48 PM |
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#2, Iketchum: Maybe reporters should attend some lecture from Mr. Bach, he is a bright example of ubiquitos speaking; compared to him the Cuman Sibyl is an example of straightforward speaking.
Bach: "And when you look at the product, I' m sort of like, I have the luxury of having seen it, to be able to look at it and played with it a little bit, but I' m certainly confident people are going to see it as something that' s differentiated and something that really does move the bar forward..." The Cuman Sibyl: "Ibis redibis non murieris in bello" "You shall go shall return never you shall perish in the war" The trick is the absence of the comma; putting it after "redibis" the response of the Oracle means "you will return", putting it after "non" means exactly the opposite. This post was edited by Fritzly on Saturday, January 16, 2010 at 18:26. |
| #5 By 13997 (71.193.149.254) at 1/16/2010 6:56:56 PM |
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#4 What is the obsession with a Bach quote? Even the most brilliant linguists I know often speak very casually and if quoted would look ridiculous as well.
#3 Correct. People don’t realize the difference between OS architecture and Applications running on the OS. It would be like people criticizing Linux for a crappy GNOME interface without realizing there are other XWindow managers like KDE. The architecture of even 6.x of WinMo/WinCE is rather robust and significantly more advanced than Android or the iPhone version of OS X. Yet people seem to think Microsoft needs to catch up. They just need to write new UI applications like they did on the Zune, they don’t necessarily need a new OS. (Go look up the Zune reviews of UI and usability, it scores higher than the iPod Touch, and is yet running a 6.x version of WinCE.) |
| #6 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 1/16/2010 7:54:06 PM |
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#5, yes dear gawd, yes... the utter nonsense that WinMo "has to catch up" - to freaking what?!?!?!? Same drill with IE - heck, especially IE... no wait... especially NT.... you get what I mean, I am sure. It's enough to make one batty - you can't even half way begin to talk about it, because a) no one will take enough time to read it and b) there is always so much more to learn that by the time they did read it, you'd be that much further into your own understanding.
I walk around our center at night and reflect on this stuff and just how damn bad it all is; how stupid this industry has become and how outrageous the expectations are. There is a lot of solice in the science and engineering. We've fallen back on that and just study it and do things that others think are impossible, or should be. I had some guys in from a really large SW house that licenses our stuff and I was caught off guard as they remarked at how incredibly fast our stuff is - the combination of our machines and network and services - stuff we simply know. To them it was like magic and to us it simply is and the funny part is that to us, it frustrates us, because we know we can do so much more. Sorry for going on, but it frustrates the hell out of me to see just how upside down this whole thing is. The whole dang world believes BS and not just about computers... nuts. .. and on they go with utter morons suggesting that MS drop IE dev... or drop WinMo dev.... they have to be kidding... |
| #7 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 1/16/2010 8:44:47 PM |
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#5: "Obsession"?
"Even the most brilliant linguists I know often speak very casually and if quoted would look ridiculous as well." Considering a meeting with financial analysts during the CES 2010 a casual conversation is a quite debatable opinion..... Besides when I was studying at the Trinity College I often heard my Professors conversing in a casual way, still they never sounded ridiculous. Furthermore I did not say that his speech looked ridiculous, the adjective I used was "ubiquitos"; a quite different meaning.... While I do not entirely disagree with your opinion about WM 6.5, which, if I remember correctly is built on Win CE 5.2 not WinCE 6, I by far prefer 6.5.3 or whatever it will be called. Finally the subject of this conversation is WM 7 not WM 6 and it also seems that the multitude of people eagerly waiting for WM 7 include also Microsoft CEO who, during a Venture Capital Summit at Mountain View, said that he wished Windows Mobile 7 was already released on the market....... This post was edited by Fritzly on Saturday, January 16, 2010 at 20:48. |
| #8 By 13997 (71.193.149.254) at 1/16/2010 9:22:19 PM |
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#7 Maybe obsession is strong, but I have seen a lot of people throwing this around, just as the place you probably found it.
It is not uncommon to find people speak casually, no matter what context or place they are speaking. Even your typed English on this page has things that would make a lot of english linguists cry in laughter over. BTW: If Bach's words bother you, listening to Sarah Palin or GW Bush speak must make you want to scream. And Bush was just in charge of the most powerful government in the world, not a couple of divisions at a software company. |
| #9 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 1/16/2010 10:05:39 PM |
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I do not doubt that my typed English could make some English linguist cry as well as their Italian, my native language, could generate in me the same reaction.
The fact that some people could speak casually regardless of context or the situation is a clear indication thet they are the wrong people in the wrong place; very sad indeed. As for the two characters you mentioned, because I am not interested to get entangled a political debate, my only observation, which is referred to both the grammar and syntax skills of the second one, is that as someone who attended both Yale and Harvard either way the reputation of these two Institutions are overinflated or he was not a receptive student. |
| #10 By 8556 (173.27.242.53) at 1/17/2010 2:51:25 PM |
| Bill Gates established a culture of public speaking with run-on sentences, mixed thoughts, and confusing information that may or may not have been what he wanted to say. Nothing much has changed at MS when it comes to public speaking, apparently. |
| #11 By 13997 (71.193.149.254) at 1/17/2010 5:34:08 PM |
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#9 I wouldn't blame the Universities, Yale and Havard only offer education, it is up to the students to participate. At least don't blame them for the level of education they offer, maybe blame them for letting someone like Bush in and able to pass without earning it, which is what money often can buy.
When you have a rich and influential father, you can skate through even the finest institutions in the world, sadly. Even with help and influence, Bush barely passed. (Texas Universities would not accept him because of his grades and low test scores, Yale and Havard were not his first choice, but the only place $$ would get him in easily.) |
| #12 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 1/17/2010 8:57:43 PM |
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Eh, eh, eh....
Money talks.... doesn't it? BTW it is the same allover the World: money and power open a lot of doors...... |
| #13 By 13997 (71.193.149.254) at 1/17/2010 10:59:28 PM |
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#12 Sadly, it is. Since Italian is your native tongue I can imagine you have watched/seen this first hand on a rather large scale as well.
I don't put much faith in politicians, but the 2008 elections here gave me some faith about the American people. Conservative or Liberal, this country was able to elect someone that most people would have never thought had a chance. Whether people agree with Obama or see him as a positive leader, the fact that the American people gave him a chance says a lot about how polymorphic the American people can be. The whole 'melting pot' concept is one of the great things about the USA, and it demonstrated one of its strengths by electing Obama. So whether people like Obama or not, Americans should be proud of their country for evolving to a place where it became possible. *I'm hope this doesn't turn into a political debate, as that is not my intention. I would imagine my politics would scare people like lketchum even though we see technology and computer science through the same lens most of the time. PS: I do agree that Bach's ramblings sounded stupid, but he doesn't have much control and based on how divided the internal structure of Microsoft is, it doesn't put doubts in my mind of the technology that Microsoft has produced. Even the Windows developers are so compartmentalized a lot of the OS developers have no clue about the lower NT layers. For example, Mark R. and his former associate are always teaching and even giving classes to newer developers at Microsoft about the NT OS structure as everyone above the WinXX subsystem layer don't get the 'magic' that is the core of the OS below. And I'm fine with this, as there are few people on the planet that truly understand OS kernels in their entirety, which is why people like Mark R. and D. Cutler are important. And even Mark R. amazes me when he shows the things he doesn't know about NT at times, and he is rather brilliant. (I call the missing holes the Swiss Cheese effect of knowledge and understanding, and sadly we all have them, no matter how well we understand OS engineering/theory.) Take care Fritzly, and thanks for honest debate. This post was edited by thenetavenger on Sunday, January 17, 2010 at 23:09. |
| #14 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 1/18/2010 12:11:33 PM |
| Thank you thenetavenger; I always enjoy intelligent and constructive debate.... |
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