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Report: Ballmer to Unveil Tablet Computer Before Apple | |
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| Time: 02:24 EST/07:24 GMT | News Source: PC World | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will announce a multimedia tablet computer on Wednesday to be made by Hewlett-Packard, according to a news report, just as hype about a rumored similar device from Apple peaks. | ||
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| #1 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 1/6/2010 5:59:44 AM |
| I am still hoping for the Courier..... |
| #2 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 1/6/2010 6:02:57 AM |
| First doesn't matter, "Cool" matters, and I highly doubt MS and HP can do cool. BTW, I hope I'm wrong. |
| #3 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 1/6/2010 8:03:09 AM |
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Windows 7 embedded with a unique UI and a bevy of custom apps and an SDK for each of them.
XNA is evolving nicely - Zune HD owners, with a gutsy/artsy UI on Windows embedded need to go here to see what many have been doing - http://games.zhdapps.com More to get an idea of what many of us have been up to - trying to figure out what MS may be up to with WinMo7 and all the FF's that will run on Windows 7 embedded/Pink, etc.. (those of us that understood that Zune HD was a reference design). So Apple bess crank up some multi/many-core 3D designs and true multi-tasking and scheduling, and open up dev, or they are going to get hammered and bad. The form factors coming out of the OEMs are pretty amazing and the fragmentation that has been out there and lack of appealing form factors is changing really quickly. There is a ton of demand built up out here and anyone stuck in a single silo is going to get beat. And Google? Java? Really? Apple? Objective C? Really? Compared to MS and its dev tools? Really? Really? I compete with MS in many ways and only a fool counts them out. |
| #4 By 79018 (74.70.9.133) at 1/6/2010 9:45:22 AM |
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MS needs to do it before Apple, or it will get lost in the press coverage of the wonder, glory and perfection of the Apple iSlate.
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| #5 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 1/6/2010 10:28:54 AM |
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I am puzzled by this late emphasys about the "Slate" concept; when Bill Gates announced the Tablet idea there were two forms: "Slate" and "Convertible"; personally I always preferred the latter although i could see the use of the former in Hospitals, warehouses etc.
If what MS and eventually Apple will announce is some kind of multimedia device, book-reader etc. it will be a device more similar to "Mira", the "Smart Display" introduced by MS years ago, than a "real" Tablet computer. Also I hope that this time they will emphasize some kind of software to control media devices and a domotized house; in 1982 I had a wired remote to open the roller shutters, lights and curtains from my bed. I was in my twenties and it was very....... effective........... |
| #6 By 150 (213.81.83.50) at 1/6/2010 12:58:13 PM |
| As lloyd said - only an idiot would count Microsoft out of this market - though once again it has probably taken the talk about an Apple product for them to actually push to make something decent out of their dire previous Tablet efforts. Hopefully they will learn from their past mistakes like they almost did with the Zune, which despite being much improved still hasn't sold well! |
| #7 By 89249 (64.207.240.90) at 1/6/2010 4:38:36 PM |
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The problem for the tablets has been hardware not software all of this time. Microsoft did it first, just like the smart phone. With multi-touch tech, like the smartphone, these devices become much more useful and userfriendly.
Sadly, both of those facts are lost when it comes to "who did it first." Hell I know of ppl with smartphones back when you got charged a pantload for each megabyte. |
| #8 By 12071 (203.210.68.145) at 1/6/2010 5:13:47 PM |
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#2 Absolutely! Although I'd expand "cool" to include "simple" - one of the major factors of the ipod and iphone's success has been simplicity in terms of use and interface. The devices really can be picked up and used without instructions - they're intuitive that within 15 minutes you've got a good hang of it.
#3 "And Google? Java? Really?" ... "Compared to MS and its dev tools?" Yep! Maybe Visual Studio 2010 will be different (fingers crossed)... but 2008 only comes slightly close to the tools available for Java (slightly) if you add JetBrain's ReSharper into it. Without it it's so far behind it's not even funny. #7 "Microsoft did it first, just like the smart phone" Microsoft did the smartphone first? Really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone |
| #9 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 1/6/2010 6:26:11 PM |
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#7: The first Tablets had both hardware and software issues; I am a big fan of the Tablet but honestly on my Toshiba 3505 the XP Tablet OS was not up to the task. W7 is another story......... the software is here, the hardware, unfortunately.... not yet.
Hopefully this year things will change. |
| #10 By 13997 (166.164.149.248) at 1/7/2010 2:27:56 AM |
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#8 Really?
"Yep! Maybe Visual Studio 2010 will be different (fingers crossed)... but 2008 only comes slightly close to the tools available for Java (slightly) if you add JetBrain's ReSharper into it. Without it it's so far behind it's not even funny." This is so close to insane, I am half scared to even respond. Microsoft has nothing to learn from Java tools or Apple or anyone else. Even in the OSS world, many developers use VS and then compile for other OSes. Platforms; compilers and development tools are ALWAYS the thing Microsoft has done well and still has credibility beyond the anti MS hype. If you consider Visual Basic and C# and WPF/.NET technologies to be bad, then what in the hell do you consider to be good, Java? Holy freaking dying cow. Do you really discount the HUNDREDs of MILLIONS of applications developed with Microsoft tools and technology, and the whole platform and ecosystem of computing they created? Geesh. Even with Java, MS Java tools were considered to be far superior to Sun's tools. The Microsoft Java VM as old as it is, still outpeform's Sun's current JAVA most of the time, which is really freaking sad, let alone the loss in development tools by Sun suing Microsoft. (Sun was shown up with Microsoft doing Java and Java development better than the creators of Java and it PO'd Sun, that is why they sued Microsoft. PERIOD.) As for ease of development and tools Java is one of the worst examples someone could use, as even 15 years later it is still buggy, has horrid cross platform issues (it is easier to use .NET and Mono then freaking Java.), and horrible performance where runtime XAML .NET code is significantly faster, when it theory it should be slower. |
| #11 By 13997 (166.164.149.248) at 1/7/2010 2:33:16 AM |
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#9 I agree that TabletPC XP Edition was rough, but considering the timeframe and non-OS wide emphasis that is was pinned to, it was marginally better than people expected at the time, especially with the history of things like Newton, PenWindows, and WinCE tablet devices.
Win7 does bring the OS and interaction software on par with ANYTHING than can be imagined, with full API sets and designs beyond the original Tablet and Vista Tablet platforms. As for hardware, there are a few good devices that were Vista TabletPC designs that when moved to Windows7 are quite impressive, even when compared to 'announced' Pen and touch device technologies. On a side note, anyone using a TabletPC device or working with a company that uses them, it would be insane to dump hardware or leave them on Vista or TabletXP, moving them to Win7 will bring new levels of performance and functionality even if they are devices that were originally designed for TabletPC XP Edition. |
| #12 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 1/7/2010 5:52:45 AM |
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#10, One of the best method oriented programmers I have ever known was classically trained in oops. He and his colleagues, one of which still remains the best developer I have ever seen, were as good, if not better than he was. Their training and experience placed them in the Sun/Java and decidedly anti-Microsoft camp. Being from eastern europe, their training was on very old unices variants and when they began to develop web apps in the late 90's after having escaped the wars in the Balkans, they tracked Java and then for cost savings reasons, the LAMP stack. It was like a religion for them and they bumped up (hard) against .NET and Microsoft. I supported them for years (with a platform I paid for and small mountains of money). Their business owners were friends of mine and simple practicalities being what they are, their devs were in that camp and Sun/Java was almost a religion for them.
Guess what.. EXACTLY as netavenger says, guess what kind of calls I'd get...? "Hey, Lloyd, can you put MS tools on .18 (the internal last octet for their only Windows box) so we can compile our application...?" Ironic, huh? Despite their background, amazing skill as devs (forget platform choice for a second), and religious following of Sun/Java.. they still needed Microsoft's tools and compiliers. I supported these guys for years and it was just misery watching so much money and tome being spent on something that was made to be so much harder than it should have been. They are still locked into that. From every perspective, it is just sad. Ironic. Anti-MS religion, entirely dependent upon MS's compilers and other tools. Another irony? Earlier, as they fled their own country and its wars, I and others were headed in - to fight "their" war for them and protect "their" people. I should not have been shocked when they asked to "borrow" copies of our tools and compilers - Microsoft tools.... as I said: "just sad." |
| #13 By 12071 (203.210.68.145) at 1/7/2010 6:00:54 PM |
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#10 "Really?"
No I wrote it just to stir you up... "This is so close to insane, I am half scared to even respond." And yet here we are four paragraphs later... "Microsoft has nothing to learn from Java tools or Apple or anyone else." You'd be the expert on that! It's amazing how the .net framework came about just out of nowhere... with no influence from Java or anyone else. "Even in the OSS world, many developers use VS and then compile for other OSes." Even within Microsoft, many developers stay away from Visual Studio because as I stated it's a relatively poor IDE. "Platforms; compilers and development tools are ALWAYS the thing Microsoft has done well and still has credibility beyond the anti MS hype." No not always but I agree - platforms and development tools are in general very good from Microsoft and Visual Studio was for a long time the leader in the IDE space but not so much for about 8 years now. "If you consider Visual Basic and C# and WPF/.NET technologies to be bad, then what in the hell do you consider to be good, Java?" Visual Basic is a pile of shit - the mere fact you mentioned it says just about everything that I didn't already know about you. C# is a brilliant little language, WPF is, well it's a great technology that still has quite some way to go in maturing but it does have a bright future ahead of it. WCF on the other hand is very good. So no, I don't consider .net to be bad (aside from Visual Basic which is an absolute abomination of a language). And yes, Java is excellent as well - for reasons and in areas that differ to those dominated by .net. Web Development frameworks for an example are leaps and bounds ahead of what's available in .net (heck we only just got a MVC framework for asp.net) and the only reason why there are any frameworks in the .net space at all is because of ports from Java frameworks (nhibernate, spring and the list goes on and on) so I guess there's lots for Microsoft to learn. Oh and just to be clear, VB is a pile of shit. "Even with Java, MS Java tools were considered to be far superior to Sun's tools." No they weren't but the MS-JVM ran circles around Sun's (and IBM's) which wasn't very good for Sun and developers abused them to no end about it. The problem with the MS-JVM is that, like all things Microsoft, they had to try and control it which in this case meant breaking the core principal of Java and attempting to make it Windows only as a result using Microsoft's compiler users ended up, most of the time without even knowing it, creating java applications that would only run on the MS-JVM as it used Microsoft's extensions. This is where the whole war between Sun and Microsoft started and ended up with Microsoft creating Java v2.0 or .net for short. "Sun was shown up with Microsoft doing Java and Java development better than the creators of Java and it PO'd Sun, that is why they sued Microsoft. PERIOD." Yeah... you really need to learn to differentiate between your opinions of the world as you see it and what actually happened. PERIOD. "As for ease of development and tools Java is one of the worst examples someone could use" Says you :) The Java IDE's are ahead of Visual Studio in all but one area and this is more of a reflection of the sheer number of choices available in the Java space (which can be a good thing but in this particular example it's probably safe to say otherwise) and that is Web Services. Support for generating and consuming Web Services in Visual Studio is at least 5 times easier than in any Java IDE. "it is easier to use .NET and Mono then freaking Java." See this is a complete lie, there are such major gaps in support of core .net frameworks that it actually requires a lot of very precise design up front to ensure that everything written will work on both on .NET and Mono. http://www.mono-project.com/Roadmap |
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