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Gartner: 75 Percent of Corporate PCs Will Run 64-Bit Windows by 2014 | |
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| Time: 00:58 EST/05:58 GMT | News Source: Daily Tech | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Microsoft's Windows 7 operating system launched nearly two months ago to great fanfare. Consumer adoption rates have been much faster than Windows Vista, and Windows 7 has already grabbed more than 4 percent marketshare. 4GB of RAM is the standard for new systems, and the majority of consumer installations by OEMs are currently 64-bit versions in order to fully address the memory. | ||
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| #1 By 143 (74.133.145.60) at 12/16/2009 3:35:27 AM |
| The DailyTech article is missing one important fact, there's no reason for corporate machines to run over 4gigs of memory. Unless your working for some design/media type company with high video demand. |
| #2 By 2201 (83.244.234.228) at 12/16/2009 4:05:19 AM |
| #1 you're missing out one important fact: that having 4GB is NOT the sole reason to go for a 64-bit OS. Some numerical analysis algorithms perform better and faster on 64-bit and data encryption is faster on 64-bit. These are tasks that business applications use in spades. |
| #3 By 143 (74.133.145.60) at 12/16/2009 5:59:03 AM |
| So, companies will scrap a perfectly working box just for something faster? |
| #4 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 12/16/2009 6:14:27 AM |
| The average user may not need more than the 3 gig addressability of 32-bit XP, but I can sure as hell tell you that the IT developer does. The more memory that becomes available, the more apps are wtitten to leverage it (or poorly written and just chew it up), and there are some monsters out there. Try running things like Tivoli and Informatica along side Lotus Notes. |
| #5 By 230538 (74.219.160.9) at 12/16/2009 7:30:29 AM |
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#3: In these times, probably not. But its hard to say.
HP has client machine blades and we've looked into this. Run 5-10 virtual clients on a single blade (couple quad-cores cpu's with 8-10GB ram) and it stores all user files, profiles, etc on a storage blade or an iSCSI NAS. Their profile, programs, etc can follow them too which is nice. The days of dumb terminals are back if you so choose. Most of our client machines need to run outlook, word, a dumb terminal program logging into an OVMS system and internet access, this is it. |
| #6 By 17855 (205.167.180.132) at 12/16/2009 7:37:46 AM |
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#4 You are right on the money. Between all the applications that are loaded to assist various interest in IT there are memory hogs like Lotus Notes and McAfee. Our management decided to turn off PC's at night to save electricity, then when employees come in to work they are hit with full system virus scans and patch updates. The loss in productivity is becoming a real concern. These are decisions beyond my control.
Just curious, has anyone encountered or fixed web applications that use Oracle/Sun's JInitiator on IE8? That is the single most perplexing problem to deploying Windows 7. |
| #7 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 12/16/2009 10:42:53 AM |
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#6, 3. Will Oracle JInitiator Be Certified for EBS on Windows 7?
No. Oracle JInitiator is no longer supported for E-Business Suite customers. Oracle JInitiator 1.1.8 was desupported in December 2008, and Oracle JInitiator 1.3 was desupported for EBS customers in July 2009. For more information about JInitiator desupport and switching your EBS end-users from JInitiator to the Sun JRE, see: http://blogs.oracle.com/stevenChan/2009/10/interim_update_2_certifying_windows_7_ebs.html (is all they have published in the update #2). XP Mode may be your only option. |
| #8 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 12/16/2009 11:42:53 AM |
| You may not need more than 4 GB today, but... what about over the course of the refresh cycle? |
| #9 By 29664 (38.116.145.60) at 12/16/2009 5:03:41 PM |
| #6 just move scans/updates to the shutdown process. |
| #10 By 89249 (70.177.109.236) at 12/16/2009 8:23:54 PM |
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The cost of 4gb of ram is nearly trivial today. The main reason for moving to 64bit will be the fact that the cost to aquire that new tech is tiny. This is mainly because factory retooling at processor companies will force 64bit cheaper than 32bit very quickly. Remember folks, and yes I'm assuming all of us here understand the progression of computer tech this decade, we're talking about 5 years here. In 5 years I heartily hope everybody will need at least 64bit proc's with 4gb of ram. I for one will be very disappointed if we're still working with the same interfaces we are today with this new processing power available for so little money.
To be specific: #1: Companies purchase computers for use over usually a 3 year period. It makes more sense to purchase a macine that you know will be usable in 3 years than to penny pinch for one that will become out of date by then. $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147%201052328912&name=4GB%20%284%20x%201GB%29 #2: Valid point. Even more important is software developers can assume the average computer will have that extra power when developing apps. The Apps will follow the environment's capabilities, just like games and database softare you will see regular corporate apps become more complex when their developers are confident that the machines their target audience will be able to handle it. #3: One man's perfectly working box is another man's PoS. The average user doesn't need a box that can even display video. Again see the 3 year depreciation explaination. New computers cost companies next to nothing to provide improved user experience and productivity. #4: If you build it they will come. Exactly. #5: Installing such a an infrastructure at branch offices or small businesses is a joke unless you've paid someone to rig it up for you. That cost is not even close to offset by the savings you get from dumbing down the client machine a tiny bit. #6: Turning off PC's at night to save electricity? Turn off your A/C or Heater. You're saving next to nothing turning off idle computers. #7: When in doubt #8: Right on the money #9: I'd just not shut them down. |
| #11 By 23275 (68.117.163.128) at 12/17/2009 6:25:28 AM |
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additional addressable memory space is not the only reason to switch to x64 bit systems.
Security is another very good reason and features unavailble in 32 bit versions of Windows are standard in x64 bit versions. Take the latest alleged "drive by download" IE 8 vulnerability patched this month. (I say alleged drive by, because a user would have had to turn off default security features in order for the 'drive by' to work).Not only would the combination of security layers in Windows Vista/7 have prevented related exploit code from running, in the case of x64 versions of Windows Vista/7 it would not have run at all on modern hardware (anything 3 years old or newer). The combination of hardware NX (zero execute), ASLR and DEP, would have prevented exploit code from running at all.... and this is before the exploit would have ever reached the UIPI broker to request escalation of the object(s), which an authorized user would have had to approve (if that user were a standard user as is recommended, an admin approval mode user would have had to supply a password), if such a user would have done so and brokered the required escalation (assuming one had no security essentials running, or had ignored warnings that would have fired before this point), ASLR+DEP would have killed the processes and dumped the code. If that were not enough, additional protections would have come into play on x64 based systems. Namely, the Windows Filtering Platform (and as MS Security Essentials does and Live OneCare did before it, security software must be able to communicate with this foundation class) and File System Filters (again, MSE can talk to this). Here's a summary of the added security features that are either unique to, or uniquely implemented on x64 based systems: The PC must support Microsoft's implementation of Address space layout randomization - Address Space Layout Randomizer (ASLR) (Me Too implementations on OS X for example, are weak and incomplete to say the least, which is why I mention "Microsoft's" implementation) The PC's hardware must be designed to work with ASLR by enabling hardware support for No Execute (NX) technologies. The PC must support support Kernel Patch Protection (Patch-Guard in Windows Vista/7 x64) The PC must have native support for the Windows Filtering Platform (WFP) and security software must use it. The PC must support File System Filters and its anti-virus and security software must make use of them. (Read: Sterling, or Microsoft Security Essentials/WLOC) Only Windows Vista and Windows 7 x64 make use of all of these layers and increased/affordable RAM aside, security is the reason enterprises and especially small businesses and enthusiast PC users should make as immediate as possible move to x64. |
| #12 By 17855 (205.167.180.132) at 12/17/2009 8:00:27 AM |
| Thank You lketchum. |
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