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Pigs do fly: Microsoft unleashes 20,000 lines of Linux code | |
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| Time: 13:08 EST/18:08 GMT | News Source: ZDNet | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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Microsoft is releasing three Microsoft-developed Linux drivers to the Linux community for possible inclusion in the Linux source tree. This is the first time Microsoft has made Microsoft-developed code available directly to the Linux community. The Redmondians have released various pieces of code under different open-source licenses over the past few years, but this is the first time Microsoft has released Linux code and the first time the company has used the GPL license to release code, I believe. (Anyone know otherwise?) My ZDNet blogging colleague Jason Perlow says Microsoft previously released part of the Linux Integration Components under the GPL, so this isn’t technically the first-ever GPL’d code from the Softies. | ||
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| #1 By 17855 (205.167.180.131) at 7/21/2009 7:39:24 AM |
| If I understand his correctly, this should help with running Linux in Virtual PC or Virtual Server as well. Now if they could just go one more step and bring this into Win7 like the Virtual XP environment... :) |
| #2 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/21/2009 7:47:13 AM |
| Hmmm, 20,000 lines of code that will help Windows displace Linux... tell me again why the driver group would consider taking these? |
| #3 By 17855 (205.167.180.131) at 7/21/2009 8:25:45 AM |
| Exactly Latch. However on the other side its Linux. Anyone can remove the code anytime they want to. You can remove the code yourself since the source code is freely available. |
| #4 By 12071 (203.214.13.155) at 7/21/2009 10:15:13 AM |
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You guys are missing the most important part of this story... Microsoft released it all under the GPL!!
That's right, the same guys who called it "anti-american", "a threat to innovation", "direct attack on intellectual property", "communist" and "viral" but to name a few... are now embracing the GPL! I hope they're not using the code themselves... after all their leader said: ""The way the license is written, if you use any open-source software, you have to make the rest of your software open source," said Ballmer". Such a genius! I'm really glad he's in charge :) Ha! I can just imagine parkkker's head blowing up... GPL bad but MS is using it so GPL good... but Linux uses GPL so it's bad, but MS released code under GPL so it must be good... bang! And LLoyd can't be too far behind him! |
| #5 By 92283 (70.67.3.196) at 7/21/2009 11:16:56 AM |
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"Microsoft previously released part of the Linux Integration Components under the GPL, so this isn’t technically the first-ever GPL’d code from the Softies."
GPLv2 only. GPLv3 = "anti-american", "a threat to innovation", "direct attack on intellectual property", "communist" and "viral" GPLv2 = not quite as evil. They key to understanding this is: 1) Kill VMware with Hyper-V and Citrix Xen Tools that suppoert Hyper-V 2) Drive a wedge between the GPLv3 fanatics and the slightly less fanatical GPLv2 developers (Torvalds). You took the bait kabuki. This post was edited by NotParkerToo on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 at 14:05. |
| #6 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/21/2009 12:02:27 PM |
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#4: You didn't take their never-ending, always-shifting rationalizations into account. The GPL is evil, un-American (whatever THAT means), Communist, a cancer etc. says bots like parkkker. Watching him shuck & jive when MS uses the GPL is hilarious, and the weasel words he uses to extricate himself from his dilemma are even funnier. If MS ever released anything under GPL3, he'd tell you how it isn't bad for any company to use GPL3 so long as their names are spelled with the letters M-I-C-R-O-S-O-F-T (in that exact order). He's a man of successive sincereties, and every time he changes his position he's more sincere than the last time.
Also, I find it amusing that you can really gauge MS's position on FOSS by looking at the microbots. While MS says all the right words about playing nice with FOSS, the microbots still spit at FOSS because they know MS isn't the least bit believable with their hollow words and empty promises. |
| #7 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 7/21/2009 1:54:15 PM |
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Although you can mock Parker with his "communist" nonsense, his analysis of MS tactics are pretty much accurate.
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| #8 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/21/2009 2:05:55 PM |
| #7: This is parkkker we're talking about. What you meant to say was that the analysis that he cut & pasted from some other source, unattributed, is pretty much accurate (although I have my doubts about his point #2.) I hereby grant him the title "Master of the Obvious." Microsoft's tactic is two-fold: (1) try to kill VMware, (2) try to move people from Linux to Linux on Windows by improving virtualized Linux under Hyper-V. It's in the community's interests to help them with (1) as added competition will spur VMware, leading to benefits for us all. (2) is a bit of problem. |
| #9 By 92283 (70.67.3.196) at 7/21/2009 2:06:22 PM |
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#6 Embrace extend and conquer sometimes requires evolving ones position.
The whole point is to get Windows in the datacenter even if it is just Hyper-V running Linux. It is the Linux fanatic who has to compromise to run Linux under Hyper-V. The point is to make the less hardcore Linux fanatic change and accept Windows. You, being a hardcore fanatic, never change. Boring. This post was edited by NotParkerToo on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 at 14:13. |
| #10 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/21/2009 2:28:08 PM |
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#9: The whole point is to get Windows in the datacenter even if it is just Hyper-V running Linux.
And what exactly is the benefit of running Linux on Windows? When you build a brick house, you don't build it on a base of popsicle sticks. If someone wants to consolidate several Linux boxes onto one server, there are several virtualization solutions that don't involve the bloat, cost and security issues of Windows. I also note your implicit admission that Windows is not in the datacentre. |
| #11 By 92283 (70.67.3.196) at 7/21/2009 2:57:24 PM |
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#10 Not every datacenter. Yet.
The point is not that someone is going to run all their Linux VMs on Hyper-V. The point is to make it easy for someone to deploy Linux if necessary on Hyper-V/Citrix along with all the Windows VM's. The point is to damage or kill overpriced VMware solutions. |
| #12 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/21/2009 3:57:12 PM |
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#11: Not every datacenter. Yet.
So, when exactly is it the Year of Windows in the Datacentre? |
| #13 By 92283 (142.32.208.233) at 7/21/2009 4:06:47 PM |
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It was 2003.
According to the survey results, SQL Server runs: • The world's largest database for transaction processing on the Microsoft Windows platform, with 5.3 terabytes of data. • The world's third largest transaction processing database by row count for All Environments, with 33 billion rows. • The world's sixth largest transaction processing database for All Environments. Additional honors for SQL Server include: • 7 of the world's top 10 largest databases for transaction processing on Windows. • 9 of the world's top 10 largest databases by row count for transaction processing on Windows. • 4 of the world's top 10 largest transaction processing databases by rows, across All Environments. http://www.microsoft.com/sql/prodinfo/compare/wintercorp.mspx#XSLTsection124121120120 |
| #14 By 12071 (203.185.215.144) at 7/21/2009 6:58:18 PM |
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"GPLv2 only.
GPLv3 = "anti-american", "a threat to innovation", "direct attack on intellectual property", "communist" and "viral" GPLv2 = not quite as evil." Bzzzzzzt! - Try Again! Go to jail, go directly to jail. Do not pass go, do not collect $200! All of those statements were made by Jim Allchin and Steve Ballmer in regards to GPLv2! So other than being 100% wrong... you don't have a single valid point! Congratulations :) It must hurt you inside (stings like a bitch!) to know that Microsoft is using the GPL... hahahaha! |
| #15 By 15406 (99.240.76.72) at 7/21/2009 8:22:38 PM |
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#13: It was 2003.
This is 2009, isn't it? |
| #16 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 7/21/2009 8:26:23 PM |
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We're seeing changes in how the industry looks at both open and closed source.
This news, while certainly that, isn't all that "new." Under Microsoft Public License (MPL) and the Microsoft Reciprocal License (MRL), there are quite a number of "open source" initiatives. Similarly, Windows Services for Unix, despite the healthy debate, still stands as an excellent example where the two camps can and do work well together. Very similarly, well recognized open source projects, aren't very open at all. CA, IBM, etc... all have products (FOSS/OSS award winning, too) that are not nearly as open as purists would like. We'll see more and more of this as it makes increasing sense to work hard to interoperate wheree it makes sense for customers. We've seen boths sides move toward the center around customer needs and it'll be good to see more of that. Rather than dump on any initiative, regardless of who moves first. I think we'd best server customers of we celebrate each good move toward increased interop. If however, every olive brach is swatted away with bot this and bot that, nothing will change. |
| #17 By 54556 (68.35.10.96) at 7/22/2009 10:24:47 PM |
| Quite a picture...Latch and parkkker, the future of computing ;-> |
| #18 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/23/2009 10:22:30 AM |
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#16: If however, every olive brach is swatted away with bot this and bot that, nothing will change.
Nothing will change as long as MS offers bombs and traps disguised as olive branches. Today we find out that this olive branch was something they were forced to do because of a GPL violation. You can't break the law, pay a fine and then try to characterize it as charity. |
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