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Election Day 2008 | |
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| Time: 14:54 EST/19:54 GMT | News Source: ActiveWin.com | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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| #1 By 37 (192.251.125.85) at 11/4/2008 2:00:05 PM |
| Obama FTW! (or loss, if he loses) |
| #2 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 11/4/2008 2:51:41 PM |
| There isn't Listerine strong enough to wash the bad taste of 8 years of the Bush administration out of my mouth. |
| #3 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 11/4/2008 3:00:49 PM |
| Those of us who didn't vote for George Bush either time had our taste buds cauterized! |
| #4 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 11/4/2008 3:13:11 PM |
| The lines this morning were ridiculous at my place. Will try again this evening... but it doesn't matter for president in Minnesota anyhow (in the bag for Obama... remember '84, when we were the lone blue state in a sea of red?). I think either will be a good choice, actually (hear that, Sodablue? Someone get the smelling salts... :P)... I feel much better about our choices this election than '00 or '04. I just hope that, whatever the result, they will receive broad public support (not necessarily agreement in everything, just support) from the start, rather than the childish nonsense of '00 and '04. |
| #5 By 37 (96.42.24.96) at 11/4/2008 3:32:35 PM |
| No line for me. I walked right in, gave them my name and voted. Took 60 seconds or less. |
| #6 By 23275 (71.91.9.16) at 11/4/2008 3:37:51 PM |
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McCain! I will not live in a socialist state. Not for one minute. Live or die, I will not live in a land where a man's work is not his own. Bush was bad enough - spent and spent and spent - it was insane. Whomever is elected, he needs to begin with a balanced budget, or nothing else will matter. I am sick of funding BS.
Work, or starve. The rules need to be real simple. Unless you are truly unable and can do no work at all, too bad for you. Work and get out of my wallet. Get out and stay out of my home, my family, my church and my life - or be prepared to have a Moss 590 stuffed through your teeth. Respect my property, or be prepared to help grow next year's crop. Dear Mr. <new> President: cut taxes and kill terrorists (by the truck-load). Leave the rest to the people. |
| #7 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 11/4/2008 4:48:17 PM |
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Moss 590: interesting choice Iketchum; I am a man of habit so I stick with the HK G3 but I can see the effectiveness of your one. Btw pellets or single bullet? :-)
This post was edited by Fritzly on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 at 16:52. |
| #8 By 432 (70.49.35.50) at 11/4/2008 5:10:15 PM |
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lketchum, i hear its real easy to cut taxes, while fighting 2 wars....i hear wars are cheap and don't cost a dime....yup i can see how your ideas work perfectly.
I just flicked my bic....flame on! |
| #9 By 23275 (71.91.9.16) at 11/4/2008 5:32:22 PM |
| I stack them beginning with nr 4 bird shot - discarding sabot after that in case the target is armored up, or on dope. nr 4 shot is safer indoors. I alternate them similarly in case there are multiple targets. I have a shoemer slide light and a side saddle with additional rds, because stock's additional storage does not work well in a fight. If I shoot that out, I have several other options which are properly zoned - e.g., pre-positioned. All are .45 ACP with two exceptions, which are loaded with 9mm frangible rounds for close work. We have other iron, too, which is much heavier and our own re-loaders and molds. We practice all the time - daily dry fires and at least weekly live fire. We all have carry permits and stay 100% within the law at all times - believing very strongly in life-long training and a lifestyle that respects life above all - beginning with preserving one's own and one's family. We hunt, fish, and grow much of our own food. Each child grew up with a poster in their rooms that reads: "Even unloaded guns can kill!" Safety and accuracy of fire being the law. |
| #10 By 23275 (71.91.9.16) at 11/4/2008 5:36:10 PM |
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As a percentage of GDP, defense spending is lower than it was in 1960.
No need for flames. Defense spending today is tiny as compared to even peacetime spending in the 80's and early 90's. NOT fighting can be much more costly - the free markets took a beating when they opened after 9/11 - staying below pre-9-11 levels for nearly four years. Similarly, tex revenues increased dramatically during the same period. No. Entitlement spending, not defense is where the costs have been - largely in healthcare. |
| #11 By 11888 (64.230.117.102) at 11/4/2008 6:31:07 PM |
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... This post was edited by MrRoper on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 at 18:43. |
| #12 By 54556 (68.35.10.96) at 11/4/2008 11:16:49 PM |
| #9 You dryfire a Mossburg 590 daily??? |
| #13 By 23275 (71.91.9.16) at 11/4/2008 11:29:05 PM |
| Not necessarily that weapon, but certainly both weapons I carry on my person. They are quite like a part of my hands. All others are trained with regularly. Shooting is among the things I have loved most in life. It is great sport and requires a tremendous amount of concentration and skill. It has to be among the most relaxing things one can do - and exhausting when done right. |
| #14 By 1896 (207.244.165.105) at 11/5/2008 2:04:54 AM |
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#9: Excellent strategy Iketchum; I am honestly impressed. I too try to practice, live, at least once a week.
#12: I cannot think about something more dangerous than a person carrying a gun and not regularly training to use it; dangerous for himself (herself) and whoever else is around. |
| #15 By 21997 (70.63.37.182) at 11/5/2008 7:03:55 AM |
| May God help us all! |
| #16 By 23275 (71.91.9.16) at 11/5/2008 8:04:13 AM |
| @14, I've trained many people who said they wanted to carry. Only one ever went on to actually do it. It requires a complete commitment to a lifestyle, which places individual responsibility and safety above all else. The level of training has to be as high as the level of responsibility as even one mistake is too many. It used to be that people began training with and using firearms as children. One hunted on the way to school, and on the way back home and much of the meat one ate was from the hunt. You raised the rest. The goal I choose when training firearms is to work to convince the person that it is not worth it - I know, sounds very anti-gun and it is. Better that than have one armed person who is not trained well enough to not only handle the weapon, but only use it to either eat, or defend themselves and others legitimately. Consider this: a 200 pound man can cross 21 feet in about 2 seconds - that is the legal distance where the law reasons one has enough time to escape. That means that in less than 2 seconds an armed person has to identify the threat, assess it to be lethal and engage effectively. So obviously, training has to include how to zone an area, and assess it quickly - for example, you don't walk into a threat - you walk away, or you wait until it clears. You don't seek confrontation - you call law enforcement. If there is no other way - say an attacker storms your home (and it happens all too often), you have got to be able to address that threat in less than 2 seconds and from a shooting position that is not always optimal. To do that requires much more training than most people are willing to invest - hence the anti-gun position. All this used to be part of our culture and was behind our constitutional rights - it was understood that fathers would train their kids. That changed. When I was a boy we had gun racks in the back of the school house and believe it or not, all kids carried. |
| #17 By 54556 (68.35.10.96) at 11/5/2008 8:12:30 AM |
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#14 <sigh> While dryfiring most <u>modern certerfire</u> weapons will not generally not harm the firing mechanism, the same is usually not the case for rimfire models and most certainly not for most shotguns.
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| #18 By 37 (192.251.125.85) at 11/5/2008 8:14:16 AM |
| Obama for the landslide! WOO HOO! |
| #19 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 11/5/2008 8:22:10 AM |
| #18: It's a great day for America. |
| #20 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 11/5/2008 8:46:44 AM |
| #17: I am afraid I miss the point of your reply: my note was about training in general, not dryfiring, live firing, drawing, aiming, combat etc. |
| #21 By 23275 (71.91.9.16) at 11/5/2008 9:06:55 AM |
| #20, ditto that. Dry training covers so much more than simple aiming and trigger pull. By the way, defensive firing is a lot more about pointing than aiming as most people have come to regard it. There isn't time. You pick up the front sight and acquire alignment as the weapon comes up, and out and the upper body rolls forward and the trigger is rolled as the sight picture and alignment are finalized (on the order of 1.4 to 1.6 seconds). In simple words, it is not like shooting at a match target...fast to the gun... slow to the target. |
| #22 By 23275 (71.91.9.16) at 11/5/2008 9:19:05 AM |
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#18, it is always great to see any democracy exercise itself according to the will of the people.
It is especially wonderful to see a black man erase the last political barriers that separated some people. Let’s hope all such barriers are removed between all people regardless of benign characteristics which have been used to keep them apart. If we do that, we can focus on how fundamentally idiotic it is to even hint at embracing socialism - and in four years, toss anyone advocating for that kind of change, out on his, or her political backside. In other words, I hope and pray we can actually and fully now discuss the issues with all people and with full candor. If not, we do not deserve to feel great about having elected any person of any color to any office. |
| #23 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 11/5/2008 10:13:05 AM |
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#2: I don't know if Obama will be a flash in the pan. Here in Canada, we elected a woman to be Prime Minister in '93. That didn't go too well, but not because she was a woman. However, there hasn't been a female major party leader since (Elizabeth May is head of the Green party, but they're barely a blip on the radar.)
As for socialism, don't get your shorts in a knot worrying about what the GOP has mischaracterized Obama's positions on. I doubt the Army will show up and force you to give all your money to a welfare family. |
| #24 By 37 (192.251.125.85) at 11/5/2008 10:52:23 AM |
| The good thing is, Obama isn't for socialism. |
| #25 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 11/5/2008 11:16:18 AM |
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Hmmm... it's cloudy today... where's the sunshine, the rainbow, the cats and birds singing Kumbaya? :P
It's pretty cool, actually--I think we (Americans among us here) can all be proud, regardless of our political persuasions. McCain was also very gracious in defeat. I agree--I don't think Obama will institute socialist policies. To win the election, his positions moved more and more to the center. The question is whether he will govern that way. I think he will have to, if he wants a second term. |
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