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  Microsoft's Gates Gives Some Ground in Trial Testimony
Time: 18:48 EST/23:48 GMT | News Source: Associated Press | Posted By: Alex Harris

On his final day of testimony, Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates (news - web sites) was confronted with one of Microsoft 's own products -- Windows XP Embedded -- that does some things the company has said are impossible on its personal-computer operating system. Under questioning by lawyers for nine states that are pressing for tough antitrust restrictions on Microsoft 's business practices, Mr. Gates acknowledged that the software, a building-blocks version of Windows for small devices such as cash registers, might be used to create an operating system capable of running Microsoft 's Office application software.

Microsoft executives, including Mr. Gates, have said that the states' request for a modular version of Windows, from which programs such as Internet Explorer Web browser and Media Player audio-visual software could be removable, would be impossible. Mr. Gates has said that removing chunks of software code would cripple the operating system. During Mr. Gates's third day of testimony, the states' lawyers showed him company documents about Windows XP Embedded, which allows customers to pick and choose which functions their tailor-made operating system could perform.

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#1 By 61 (65.32.169.133) at 4/25/2002 7:23:20 PM
Well gee, this is what MS and Gates has been saying all along

#2 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 4/25/2002 9:36:31 PM
#3, the states' clients? Are you stupid or just sarcastic? Build an OS as a proof of concept for a trial? I guess you're stupid? Windows XP and Windows Embedded are different--embedded is modular, XP isn't--don't see why lawyers would have to build a new system to prove that to you.

#2, u is the government. BilLG himself admitted that code commigling was found to be an anticompetitive illegal act which is not barred by the DOJ settlement... This will require a remedy, and you won't like it.

#1, Bill Gates is trying to claim that publishing and referencing external API's requires open sourcing Excel since Office is middleware, and Excel has external APIs, and those external API's may have dependencies on INternal functions which INTEROPERATE with these external functions therefore MS MUST expose all code in the Excel program--whether or not it is in reality an external API, whether or not that it what the settlement proposal says. In other words, whether or not Bill Gates has been saying it all along or just now or whatever it doesn't matter because Bill is lying out of his @ss. Really, do you belive that a clause requiring publication of external API's mandates the complete open sourcing of all code in the program Excel? Come on, Bill didn't do a good job. He just CALMLY looked like a paranoid megalomaniac.

#3 By 61 (65.32.169.133) at 4/25/2002 11:24:43 PM
#4, I didn't read the whole thing, but I certainly did not see anything about Excel in there, or open sourcing Excel. Simply put, if things like IE are taken out, apps will break, API's that have been there will no longer be there, developers can not take use of those API's to be there for every system, etc... Bill is not being paranoid, he's seeing things realistically.

#4 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 4/26/2002 10:34:52 AM
#6 - They did negotiate, but Oracle, Sun and AOL weren't happy with the negotiations, so they convinced a few states to go renegade.

sodajerk - As has been pointed out numerous times, Gates is definately not exagerrating. I know every time I've asked you if there are limits to how far the remedies go, you've admitted that there are not.

#5 By 3339 (64.175.42.82) at 4/26/2002 11:39:40 AM
CPUGuy, that's probably because this site and some people here are focusing on his written testimony, which is no where near as strong as you think it is--read the cross-examination instead.

Soda, when did I ever say that the remedies have NO limits--that's a ridiculous thing to suggest that I've said. In fact, I've frequently said the remedy wouldn't break Windows... Gates isn't exaggerating--so you DO think that because MS is supposed to publish external APIs they also have to publish internal source code? Come on, that's idiotic. Maybe you believe it, but I don't believe that Gates does.

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