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  Windows UI Taskforce: your help wanted
Time: 12:33 EST/17:33 GMT | News Source: istartedsomething | Posted By: Michael Dragone

Most of us who use Windows Vista have probably come across a couple of user-interface quirks during our times - some of which irritate you more than others, some are more obvious than others. With the development of Windows 7 speeding full-steam ahead, I thought this might be an opportunity as good as ever to make these problems known to Microsoft and hopefully get them all resolved.

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#1 By 8556 (12.206.195.4) at 5/30/2008 2:11:20 PM
Dump the "Basic" version. With Premium OEM selling for $10 more that Basic OEM, Basic is a waste of a SKU. If the hardware can't support aero, so be it. This should reduce consumer confusion. Don't re-complicate things by making Media Center a seperate SKU again.

#2 By 2201 (78.32.103.51) at 5/30/2008 4:47:06 PM
Agree #1. Home Basic is a waste of time. I roll my eyes when I see other people's laptops with this on and it's not as if they don't have the specs. They are missing a lot of useful apps just because of the Aero thing, which is stupid. If they had Home Premium on their laptop, it would look the same (no Aero) but they'd have all the extra apps.

#3 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 5/30/2008 10:45:12 PM
Why is it that depending on the situation UAC prompts look different on Vista?

This makes no sense.

#4 By 118479 (68.209.64.185) at 5/31/2008 12:29:51 AM
Please send suggestions!

just remember they are only suggestions though and that you people have very little sway over us.




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#5 By 72426 (69.144.82.159) at 5/31/2008 3:20:04 AM
#3 Actually there is a clear reason... If the Prompt is generated by an OS trusted action or application that is signed, you get the MS looking one. If it is generated by who knows what you get the more dramatic box. (this however should be clearer to users if people are asking questions like this.)

#1 Yep, In fact dump all versions and replace with just two SKUs, Business and Ultimate. Both being identical but Business by default not installing games, media center, etc. Both SKUs should have user selectable features, since they can be added or removed at any time anyway.

#2 Basic is a waste, but the Aero thing really isn't the focus of the difference, as Basic does include WDDM features.

In Premium and up, turning off Aero on a computer that is capable of running it will actually 'reduce' performance. And this not only includes business type apps, but even Games running in a Window, as the Aero composer uses a shared texture write method that is as smart as the games themselves inherently drawing exclusively and with some games will even INCREASE FPS if you run in it a Window with Aero running, as strange as that might sound.

There are other reasons, like with Aero on (Glass), the composer will push some of the older GDI/GDI+ 2D drawing operations through the GPU, so it can use the GPU to decompress bitmaps to drawing fonts, to anti-aliasing lines, or even basic GDI line drawing can be significantly faster.

People that turn off Aero cause they think the Glass sucks performance are cheating themselves out of performance across the board. Also with current NVidia and ATI drivers, the Battery usage of Aero is non-existent, as it drops the GPU to 2D clocks since Aero is light enough it don't need the full speed of the GPU.

The ONLY exception to Aero slowing down a computer is with a few 945 Intel Video chipsets, since Intel uses software instead of hardware, also some early Geforce 5200 or 5600 cards with only 64mb of RAM may have trouble with the PS 2.0 transparency of the Glass. However, even in these circumstances, if you turn off Transparency, and leave Aero enabled, you will get faster performance than turning Aero all the way off and using the Basic or Classic Windows modes - since Aero is just more than the Glass it allows the full features of the new WDDM to do its thing. (Composer, GPU RAM Virtualization, GPU Pre-emptive tasking at OS level, etc.)



I personally have a bit of faith in MS on Seven, since they have some of the better UI people working and managing Windows. People that are UI experts, to the manager that is as picky about consitency as any hard core critic. Vista truly has the architecture and power for Windows 7, and adding in multi-touch and other new UI paradigms MS has been working on for years will just smooth out the mix. Espeically since Vista's graphics system now allows for things that just can't be done on XP (In fact stuff no other OS is currently capable of doing.)

It is just too bad they didn't have more time for Vista to showcase it beyond live thumbnails and flip3d, which are really simple in terms of what Vista is capable.




#6 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at 5/31/2008 2:01:40 PM
#5, Great points. Also, Microsoft provided a comprehensive toolset to allow ISV's to leverage all the possibilities baked int these new technologies. The WPF/WPFe were designed to allow developers to create interfaces that far surpassed the few examples found in the shipping version of Vista. For example, there are controls to allow developers to use Flip 3D in usefl ways - exposing all the pages in their applications at once, to name just one (done well, that could make flipping from the wrong dialog to a desired one easier).

People keep asking when these advances will become evident and the answer is to me pretty clear - when there enough mass to warrant their use. That may not happen until W7 ships, and I don't think anyone expected it to. W7 with a common driver model and architecture to that used in Vista, will provide enough mass.

Pundits will claim that W7 is what Vista should have been.... and stupidly, they will not realize that W7 is Vista + a few years of evolution and adaptation.

Perhaps naively, we expected ISV's to create the stuff that would drive Vista adoption and accelerate this process. Economics just don't support that and costs are higher than many people can imagine. Our dev for this site's new app is a good example... it has cost us more time and money than we could ever have imagined. WPFe is cool, amazing even, but it requires a lot of any house when balanced against the bread and butter work that keeps the lights on. Like a lot of houses, we have to make decisions - scale back and ship, or stick to our original plans... in our case scaling back is not an option - never has been and never will be (not while I breathe). It's a lot easier to see what mass is so important when you're a small particle within it. It will all come along as desired, it's just going to take time.

The sad bit is that Vista and the dev tools around it really are solid. It is an amazing OS and environment, actually; however, little of that is seen, read, or heard amongst the trash that has been spewed out on the web recently. I listened to a giggling group on Twit yesterday - snarking on about how MS doesn't or can't innovate. I puked - literally got up and puked. Idiots who could not code their way out of a wet sack going on like school children looking at another student with her dress tucked into the back of her hose... glad-handing the likes of Apple and their handle on innovation. Really? I thought... clearly they have never been in the IDE and clearer still, they've never innovated a thing... much less funded it with their own backsides. So wait a bit... not too long... cuz we're close to schooling more than a few people.

#7 By 143 (74.129.194.180) at 5/31/2008 6:53:18 PM
Will Microsoft drop support for Vista after W7 comes out?

Yes, I was one of those people who bought Vista! "The few, the confused"

#8 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at 5/31/2008 8:56:33 PM
#7, Heaven no.

Vista/Win7 are part of the same family of OSes. They share a kernel, driver model, and dev model. Win7 will have many new features for sure, but it will only extend Vista. While it will be a major new release, because it will be the first OS designed to seamlessly fuse Software and Services, and feature things like a touch interface, it's core will be veyr similar to Vista.

Devices that work for one will work for the other - all of the architectural changes required have already been baked into Vista and Vista paid the price by forcing changes that were badly needed.

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