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OOXML vs. ODF: Lessons learned | |
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| Time: 12:26 EST/17:26 GMT | News Source: ZDNet | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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The votes have been tallied but it’s still not 100 percent certain that Microsoft’s Office Open XML (OOXML) document-format is going to become an ISO standard. (Supposedly, the vote is still too close to call and neither ISO nor Microsoft is yet discussing the final results. But a number of sites are speculating that OOXML did manage to get enough votes to secure ISO standardization status.) | ||
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| #1 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 3/31/2008 12:55:38 PM |
| Is it me, or is Mary Jo looking hot these days? |
| #2 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 3/31/2008 1:35:32 PM |
| It's you. Maybe consider bottled water. (just kidding) |
| #3 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 3/31/2008 1:44:35 PM |
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Looks like I should consider a glue sniffing cessation program. This post was edited by rxcall on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 13:47. |
| #4 By 15406 (99.224.112.94) at 3/31/2008 3:08:28 PM |
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#1: Does she look like your mom?
This post was edited by Latch on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 15:09. |
| #5 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 3/31/2008 9:34:36 PM |
| The only thing I see when I look at that pic of Mary Jo is the Spock-like ears. |
| #6 By 28801 (71.58.231.46) at 3/31/2008 10:05:01 PM |
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#4: I knew that if I waited long enough you would say something funny.
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| #7 By 82766 (202.154.80.82) at 3/31/2008 10:47:03 PM |
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@rxcall - you're a very sad person to think MJF looks hot! :-) I actually had more of a laugh at latch for making a funny!!
edit: my grammar is woeful today :-) This post was edited by MyBlueRex on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 22:47. |
| #8 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 4/1/2008 6:57:50 AM |
| Boy you guys are thick! I guess I have to use the <sarcasm> tag to spoon feed my jokes. |
| #9 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/1/2008 9:17:49 AM |
| Back to the subject at hand, the only thing anyone learned was how easily ISO was gamed by Microsoft, but then ISO was set up to function best when all involved parties worked for the common good. It's not exactly news that MS is an unethical beast that will lie, cheat & steal to get what it wants. Still, I was surprised as to how blatantly they cheated, seemingly without a care as to the optics. I guess the document format stakes were so high that they couldn't mess around with subtlety. |
| #10 By 92283 (64.180.201.131) at 4/1/2008 10:42:47 AM |
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ODF sucks as a standard. IBM and Sun snuck it past ISO without them catching the huge number of flaws ... probably through HUGE bribes.
It was good of Microsoft to consent to offer up the superior document standard OpenXML. The worls owes Microsoft a debt of gratitude for saving us from the ODF craptastic standard. |
| #11 By 52115 (66.181.69.210) at 4/1/2008 11:07:31 AM |
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What I think if funny, it how pro-Microsoft people talk of how ODF is flawed and a crappy standard and there's nothing better the OOXML; whereas the pro-Opensource people talk of how great ODF is and the OOXML is flawed and crappy.
So what is it? Who to believe? I know NOONE here (and I'm sure noone at Microsoft has read the whole document in it's whole) has read through the whole paper for OOXML. I saw a picture of it and I swear, it's probably about 3 feet high stacked up. |
| #12 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 4/1/2008 11:51:11 AM |
| Both have flaws, but I suspect that when OOXML becomes an ISO standard the world won't end. |
| #13 By 92283 (64.180.201.131) at 4/1/2008 12:36:31 PM |
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#11 When ODF has enough features to be useful, the spec will be larger.
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| #14 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/1/2008 12:42:25 PM |
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#11: MS knows that governments around the world are moving towards an open document format for saving documents that can be read in the future. As shown by MS already in Office, reading older documents is a crapshoot at best, and this simply isn't good enough. Microsoft also knows that it makes all its money off Windows and Office. If you could use any word processor to maintain open-format documents, there isn't really a need for Office specifically. So MS has a conundrum; they must support open formats, but somehow do it so that nobody else can do it too. MS was a member of OASIS, the group that created ODF over the course of several years. They did not actively participate. When ODF was born, MS suddenly awakened from its slumber and claimed that, at the eleventh hour, ODF didn't support enough MS legacy document features. MS claimed it would have no choice but to create it's own standard (OOXML). Do some reading on it. Despite the rantings of mega-partisans like parkkker, the only ones who think OOXML is good for anyone are pro-MS people. Governments, academics and the people involved in standards do not think OOXML is required. If MS wanted to, it could have easily supported ODF, and then gotten things it wanted into the future revisions of ODF. Seriously, read up on it. Read about the committee stuffing, the bribes, the astroturfing, the complete subversion of ISO by a vendor willing to do just about anything to ramrod its format through the fast-track.
#12: You're right that the world won't end. What also won't end is Microsoft's lock on office documents. If this goes through, MS will have managed something really impressive; an ISO-accredited standard that only MS can implement. |
| #15 By 92283 (64.180.201.131) at 4/1/2008 3:30:05 PM |
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"Independent software vendors, including Apple, Corel, Microsoft and Novell have already shipped implementations of the Open XML standard within popular applications such as iWork, iPhone, WordPerfect, Open Office and Microsoft Office 2007."
http://www.ecma-international.org/news/TC45_current_work/ISO_and_IEC_approve_Office_Open_XML.htm Latch try a different set of lies. The ones you are using now are totally discredited. |
| #16 By 92283 (64.180.201.131) at 4/1/2008 3:31:07 PM |
| “The U.S. Library of Congress believes that the preservation of digital content for future generations will be much easier if widely used software applications use formats with full public specifications that will be maintained by the global community going forward,” said Martha Anderson, Director of Program Management, National Digital Information Infrastructure and Preservation Program. “The approval of Office Open XML as an international standard has important benefits for libraries and other archival institutions for generations to come.” |
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