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Opera: IE8's changes don't let Microsoft off legal hook | |
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| Time: 16:22 EST/21:22 GMT | News Source: InfoWorld | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Microsoft's rivals have applauded some of what they've seen in the new Internet Explorer 8 (IE8), but the browser maker that's complained to antitrust regulators in Europe said the changes don't address all its concerns. Earlier this week, Microsoft unveiled Beta 1 of IE8, just days after the company's head of browser development confirmed a turn-about in how IE8 would handle backward compatibility and support Internet standards. | ||
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| #1 By 16797 (65.95.8.25) at 3/8/2008 8:28:05 PM |
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Wow..
The five issues Lie listed include: 1. Fully complying with Acid2 and Acid3 standards tests 2. Supporting the specifications underlying the Acid tests 3. Providing documentation on how IE implements standards 4. Dropping version targeting 5. Committing to interoperability by promising to add support for standards that two or more major browsers implement 1. Acid3 already? Can Opera pass Acid3? No. Can Safari or Firefox pass it? No. 3. I see the point - to minimize implementation differences. But there are some problems (see 5). 4. Well.. It makes sense for Opera and others not to worry about web sites coded not according to standards.. but if customers are asking for it, MS should leave it there. 5. Does Opera implement standards the same way Firefox and Safari do, for example? No. So in order for 3 and 5 to work, everyone must agree to follow ONE single implementation. It does not make sense to order Microsoft to follow Firefox's implementation, or to order Safari to follow Opera's implementation. That would always give advantage to one company. Anyway, implementation details are not really part of the standards. |
| #2 By 3653 (65.80.181.153) at 3/8/2008 11:35:49 PM |
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opera wont let msft off the "legal hook" until opera can turn a consistent profit.
its that simple |
| #3 By 52115 (66.181.69.210) at 3/10/2008 8:53:20 AM |
| Personally, I think Opera is the best browser out there. IE7 is a resource hog (open anything more than 4 tabs, and you're hard drive doesn't stop taching), and Firefox is too much of a security risk.. |
| #4 By 60455 (68.186.182.236) at 3/10/2008 9:54:09 AM |
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#3, You have made some good points. Firefox? The problem with Firefox and security is that it isn't just FF/Moz, but which one.
We host a lot of sites and to help people see what I mean, many more people use much older un-patched versions of FF/Moz than use the newer versions. For example, of the people hitting technical sites we host like this one, 15% are using FF 2.0.0.1 and less than 1% are using FF 2.0.0.7 Far more people use IE 8 BETA than do the most recent version of FF and that was a statistic that surprised me. It seems that people do not update FF very quickly, because they would have to re-do, or re-add so many of the extensions that make that browser popular with some. |
| #5 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 3/10/2008 12:20:55 PM |
| I don't run FF with many extensions but the ones that I do run have not needed a reinstall after my last few upgrades. |
| #6 By 15406 (99.224.112.94) at 3/10/2008 4:05:52 PM |
| #6: Same here. I'm not sure what #4 is on about. The default FF behaviour is to check for updates to the main app and extensions, inform you of them and then download & install with a single click. If people have an older version, they have chosen either not to upgrade or they've turned the check update feature off. I've been using FF for years and I can only remember 2-3 times when an extension was disabled after an upgrade, and a newer version was always available a day or two later. There has certainly not been any major framework changes in the 2.x series to make a plugin to fail that I'm aware of. |
| #7 By 16797 (65.95.8.25) at 3/10/2008 11:44:01 PM |
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Microsoft has donated over 700 tests to W3C (BSD licence) that were used during the development of IE8 beta 1. I guess, Opera has less and less to complain about (this would practically address points 3. and 5.). This post was edited by gonzo on Monday, March 10, 2008 at 23:44. |
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