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| Time: 00:20 EST/05:20 GMT | News Source: Neowin | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Mozilla Firefox is a fast, full-featured Web browser that makes browsing more efficient than ever before. Firefox includes pop-up blocking; a tab-browsing; integrated Google searching; simplified privacy controls that let you cover your tracks more effectively; a streamlined browser window that shows you more of the page than any other browser; and a number of additional features that work with you to help you get the most out of your time online. Download: Firefox 3.0 Beta 1 | ||
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| #1 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 11/20/2007 9:50:54 AM |
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Ars has a good write-up here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071120-afirst-look-at-firefox-3-beta-1.html |
| #2 By 82766 (202.154.80.85) at 11/20/2007 8:05:04 PM |
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I've tried 2.x and now 3 beta 1 but I still don't see the reason to switch to Firefox?
I detest plugins, addons and widgets, I don't need to re-skin my web browsing, while my own timing and speed tests show that FF is *realistically* no faster at loading pages than IE (ok i might save 2 seconds... ooohh thats FAST!! LOL), I found a number of the sites I visit do not display correctly with FF and in the end, its no *more* secure that IE... etc Really... can someone tell me what the "draw card" for FF is? I'm not baiting here either, just the cold hard truth please. |
| #3 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 11/20/2007 8:25:11 PM |
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Well Rex, I for one am an unapologetic Foxer.
I love the addons and the control that Firefox offers. With the ability to switch between FF an IE with one button what's not to love? It's a control thing. You get more control over the basic browser experience. For some that doesn't mean much and for others it's great. For my money (nada) Adblock Plus alone is worth the price of admission (nothin'). |
| #4 By 15406 (99.224.112.94) at 11/20/2007 8:28:18 PM |
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#2: I've never had FF use more than 80 MB of RAM, and that's with a dozen tabs open. I suppose I could use the ActiveWin Microbot logic here: "I've never had this problem, therefore the problem doesn't exist and nobody ever has ever had it. Anyone who says differently is a liar with an agenda, or an agent of the evil media conspiracy." However, that would be stupid of me to be like that. I have seen others complaining of this particular problem, and all I can do is hope it gets resolved for them to their satisfaction.
#3: Hmm, you don't care that it's amazingly extensible, easily skinned, faster, and more secure (no drive-by downloads in FF ever)? You're right, though. When you ignore all the advantages FF has, it's about the same as IE. There is even an extension called IETab that allows you to seamlessly use the IE rendering engine within FF so that ignorant sites that use non-standard IE-specific web coding appear properly. I use FF to go to Windows Update and download patches. What's not to love? Edit: I just read oldog's post and forgot to mention that crap popup-blocker that comes with IE as compared to FF's, and AdBlock is the icing on the cake. FF + AdBlock + NoScript makes it about a zillion times safer to use than IE. This post was edited by Latch on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 at 20:30. |
| #5 By 16797 (65.95.24.56) at 11/20/2007 9:18:09 PM |
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#5 FF + AdBlock + NoScript makes it about a zillion times safer to use than IE.
Well, as you know, on Vista, IE runs in protected mode. I don't think Firefox does. Not sure that it is "zillion times safer" then to use FF. |
| #6 By 15406 (99.224.112.94) at 11/20/2007 9:28:26 PM |
| #6: I'm aware of that, but then someone using IE on Vista is definitely in the large minority as compared to the number of general IE users. Ketchum has banged on the protected mode drum for awhile, and the Mozilla guys have said they're looking into using it. However, the ANI exploit was still able to read files on the local system in IE on Vista, so protected mode isn't the holy grail of browser security. IMO, the more defenses the better, so I'd like to see FF use protected mode. |
| #7 By 23275 (216.231.166.194) at 11/20/2007 11:26:41 PM |
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FF 3 B is a pig
Slow - choppy - inelegant It makes IE 7 on Vista seem like smooth, sweet silk. I hadn't realized how good IE 7 w/PM under Vista was until I tried FF 2.0 and 3 B. Tis a pig Tis knott Tis 2 |
| #8 By 23275 (216.231.166.194) at 11/20/2007 11:35:49 PM |
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#6, well said - don't forget the UIPI brokering any requests for escalation out of PM up into user space - can't get around it - if it does, it shuts down the process.
Vista's security is oh so very real - IE 7 PM, UIPI, UAC, Windows Defender, Window Firewall, DEP, Hardware DEP, ASLR, drive encryption, Windows Updates, Process Protection, Process Isolation, www.hautesecure.com and eset NOD32 - all but one are included, or free. Combined, one has a pretty safe machine with which to roam any part of the web. |
| #9 By 82766 (202.154.80.85) at 11/20/2007 11:39:44 PM |
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#4 - thanks for the comments olddog! I don't have any issues with popups or adverts when using IE7 but maybe its just the sites I visit?
#5 - No I don't care that its extensible, easily skinned, "more secure" or (supposedly) faster - but as I said, *I* have no need for such eye candy or trinkets... of course, I'm sure some people do. With my own testing, on the sites that I visit, FF is *realistically* no quicker than IE7. If FF could load a website in half the time that IE7 takes, then I'd definitely consider it... but its only a few seconds at the most, so its not a driver for me. I've also never had a "pop-up problem" either, although I have IE7 set to high, so it blocks all pop-ups except for those that I want. While I don't have any advert issues either. Again, maybe its just the sites I visit that I do not experience any of these issues? |
| #10 By 16797 (65.95.24.56) at 11/21/2007 2:01:34 AM |
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#7 However, the ANI exploit was still able to read files on the local system in IE on Vista, so protected mode isn't the holy grail of browser security.
I am not so sure of that. I think it was more like that if you somehow get the file on your computer and try to do something with it, it would crash Vista. I could be wrong, though. Here's Ars Technica article: http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2007/03/30/new-animated-cursor-vulnerability-affects-vista-as-well And: Microsoft's advisory says that IE7 runs in protected mode in Vista, thus it is "protected from currently known web based attacks" and the exploit can only crash the browser not execute arbitrary code. It's in the "Mitigating Factors for Animated Cursor Vulnerability" section. This post was edited by gonzo on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 at 02:02. |
| #11 By 12071 (203.214.153.24) at 11/21/2007 5:54:46 AM |
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#3 "Really... can someone tell me what the "draw card" for FF is? I'm not baiting here either, just the cold hard truth please."
Aside from the comments made so far about it's extensibility (AdBlock + FilterSet.G automatic updater are amazing), speed, web standards support (let's not forget that one!) etc etc... as a developer having the following plugins blows every other web browser so far out of the water it's not funny: - Web Developer (http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/) - LiveHTTPHeaders (http://livehttpheaders.mozdev.org/) - and the greatest plugin you can get, FireBug (http://www.getfirebug.com/) Opera has many of the same benefits as FireFox but it's ugly and doesn't have the plugins I need. Safari... on Windows at least suffers from the same issues as Opera does; and IE is a piece of sh*t... slow, half assed web standards support and whilst you can get some developer tools for it... the majority are nasty toolbar with maybe 30% of the functionality you can get from Web Developer + FireBug with nowhere near as nice an integration and control. Now if you're not interested in the addons etc. and you don't care about speed (let's be honest you're going to struggle to find any browser being 50% faster than another) then you should be more than happy to use any modern web browser. The question should then be turned around back at you... if you don't care about those things, as you have stated, then why IE? Because it came installed with your OS? Hmm... and you wonder what all the fuss is about. |
| #12 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 11/21/2007 9:27:12 AM |
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ZDNet (via Slashdot) has a memory usage comparison between FF2, FF 3 and IE 7.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/21/1312214&from=rss From the summary: "ZDNet picks up on yesterday's Firefox 3 beta 1 review by comparing the memory usage of Firefox 2 against the latest beta. The results from one of the tests is quite interesting, after loading 12 pages and waiting 5 minutes, 2 used 103,180KB and 3 used 62,312KB. IE used 89,756KB." |
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