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Report: Microsoft ends .Net linchpin | |
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| Time: 00:14 EST/05:14 GMT | News Source: MSNBC | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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— Microsoft Corp. has shelved its My Services consumer information service, one year after it was introduced to great fanfare as a core component of the company’s .Net strategy of Web-based services, The New York Times reported Wednesday night. THE SERVICE, originally code-named Hailstorm, was intended to allow a consumer to use financial and shopping services on the Web with a unique identification independent of the computer he or she was using. It would have stored users’ personal data in a centralized data repository, allowing easy access from any point on the Internet. Key to the initiative’s success was Microsoft’s campaign to persuade large companies to sign on as partners to provide the consumer services themselves — banking sites or travel agents, for example. | ||
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| #1 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 4/11/2002 12:51:15 AM |
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So now Microsoft is shelving the idea. Where are all the anti-MS zealots who were claiming we were all going to be forced to use Hailstorm?
Like I said... Microsoft listens to customers. If no customers want to use Hailstorm then Microsoft will drop the idea, just like they have many other products. |
| #2 By 2 (24.54.153.167) at 4/11/2002 1:22:50 AM |
| You are right #1. Anyone remember Microsoft Bob? |
| #3 By 125 (64.180.159.119) at 4/11/2002 2:12:06 AM |
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Good ol' Bob... I hear him and Clippy are friends... mabye you should ask Clippy what happened to him... oh wait he's gone too.... ;) This post was edited by astorrs on Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 02:13. |
| #4 By 3339 (64.175.40.89) at 4/11/2002 3:44:38 AM |
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soda, I don't get what you are suggesting: the critics of Hailstorm are supposed to apologize to MS because the marketplace (them, the critics) rejected the technology? I think the critics are rejoicing. If you are suggesting it's impossible that MS could have "forced" this into their products because only consuemrs control that--I think we all know this stuff could still easily end up in MSN Explorer, and probably, most definitely, will resurface again in some form as Trade says. [Trade, what's up with the *sniff*? Hitting the rails late night again. ;-)]
This reflects some of the issues brought up in the article (couldn't sign up providers, etc.., criticism, etc, not so much customer choice) and more importantly, I think the Antitrust case factors in--MS trying to look like they are playing nice. And I think this reflects the idea brought up in the Web Services/Lucovsky article--even MS doesn't know how to figure out a successful business model for this technology. RMD tries to defend that issue by saying: when does the provider of the tech need to come up with the biz models for the clients; that completely ignores the fact that MS will be their own biggest customer--providing applications and services. This was going to be what demonstrated the value and power of services; it was going to transform MS's software and biz model, and now it is DEAD in the water for the time being. What's up with this Microsoft knows how to listen to customers crap? No, MS likes to develop tech to increase their revenues and they can safely test the waters to see whether or not the customers are going to revolt. The examples you raise aren't examples of MS delivering what the customers want; they're examples of MS foisting extremely horrible, crappy ideas on their customers, and the customers rejecting them so violently that MS ultimately has to relent and give up on their attempts. |
| #5 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 4/11/2002 4:19:43 AM |
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#6 - "The examples you raise aren't examples of MS delivering what the customers want; they're examples of MS foisting extremely horrible, crappy ideas on their customers, and the customers rejecting them so violently that MS ultimately has to relent and give up on their attempts."
Wow... you found a very melodramatic way of describing business and supply/demand. Good job. I, for one, and disappointed that the .NET My Services are dying. I don't think, however, this is a sign of a flaw in the technology, nor a flaw in the business model. Instead, I think it shows just what FUD spreaders can do to an excellent idea when they fear and/or misunderstand it -- they can kill it. |
| #6 By 4209 (163.192.21.3) at 4/11/2002 11:14:11 AM |
| SodaJerk, SodaBlue seems to be accepting the fact that MS shelved it, yet you still find a way to write a long winded post to reject all that was said already. Everyone posted that they basically shelved it and that is fine, it may appear in MSN Explorer or somewhere else. So it seems that you really did not even need to post but did just to hear yourself talk again. It seems you always find a way to disagree, but in essence agree. |
| #7 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 4/11/2002 12:38:45 PM |
| Mctwin, so what is your point--your just commenting on MY comment which doesn't agree with this silly notion that MS listens to client needs. Soda asked where all the zealots are: well, here I am! |
| #8 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 4/11/2002 1:22:54 PM |
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RMD, FUD is solely what killed this? Do you really believe that? You don't think there's anything wrong with MS still being a year or two away from having a product to sell to customers but them saying, we can't give it to you yet, but we can host it ourselves now and tie it to our apps and web sites--screw security, screw the customer concerns--give us CASH? So why was AmEx jumping all over it, but then ultimately they walked away because they had to work thru MS, isntead of deploying it themselves, and it was dependent on Passport. MS has tons of partners; they couldn't get a SINGLE one to sign on. All the results of FUD? The NWT story even mentions that Hailstorm sessions were poorly attended at MS developer conferences; MS developers listen to anti-MS FUD?
What about European customers being interested in corp. deployments, but having concerns about cross-border data transfer--did any of us know that MS hasn't considered how to handle national borders for corporate data when necessary? Why can't you admit that in part MS said those things yesterday, probably, exactly because of this; they themselves do not know how to sell these services. If these services are useful to you, you want to handle them internally and that's it--you don't want an intermediary who hasn't considered security issues and wants users to authenticate thru their own systems. This was supposed to be the BOMB--for that matter, it's one of the only CONSUMER applications of web services that had the slightest glimmer of making sense. The consumers mostly don't want it because of Passport, lack of security, not trusting MS, etc... But they would probably enjoy services from 3rd parties, but it never got that far. |
| #9 By 135 (209.46.107.141) at 4/11/2002 3:04:23 PM |
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jerk - Ahh, you are doing that strawman thing again.
What I was specifically referring to was all of the statements made by zealots that consumers would not have a choice... we would be forced to store all of our information in Hailstorm services. So why didn't that happen? As I've pointed out over and over again, the zealots don't have a good track record for their conspiracy theories. |
| #10 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 4/11/2002 3:24:17 PM |
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#12 - Microsoft's partners didn't want to adopt .NET My Services because the consumers didn't seem to want it. Why didn't the consumers want it? FUD.
Microsoft's partners have no reason to adopt technology that consumers don't want, obviously... The thing is, Microsoft signed *tons* of partners to do stuff with .NET My Services, which shows that most businesses thought this could really be cool stuff... but because of the FUD spread around it, consumers didn't show interest. |
| #11 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 4/11/2002 3:42:11 PM |
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soda, I specifically raised the possibility that this was what you are referrring too. Just because MS realized it was a sh1tty idea doesn't mean they couldn't have forced it on the market. I put that in there, I know you can read.
RMD, sorry but I have to say it even if it insults you, do YOU know how to read--the articles on this give very specific reasons why this was rejected by AmEx: it wasn't because their clients didn't want it. Why are you trying to make crap up? AmEx still wants it, for chrissake--just not under the model MS built. Your last sentence is ridiculous: these companies signed up and rejected it because it was a bad plan--handing everything over to MS, how they'd be charged, security issues, international issues, etc... They would rather do it on their own and will. This post was edited by sodajerk on Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 15:56. |
| #12 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 4/11/2002 9:15:35 PM |
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jerk - Ahh, you are being a slimey weasal. So let me repeat...
Sorry, back when Hailstorm was announced the anti-MS zealots(you being one of them) proclaimed that they didn't like the idea. I said "Then don't use them. I have no interest in them and probably won't use them. And if others don't use them, Microsoft won't offer the services." To which the anti-MS zealots proclaimed that we would have no choice. Microsoft would shove it down our throats. And as usual, you were wrong and I was right. I think an apology is in order. |
| #13 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 4/11/2002 9:34:46 PM |
| soda, let's get a little more idiotic now. Are you a little peaved this was a bad news day for you... No body ever said that it would NECESSARILY happen--show me one place that says this will definitely happen, by this day, whether or not people want it, MS is releasing it this way... What gets people who are not fond of MS upset is their control and ability to do these things. When people say MS would do this--they are referring to the FACT that they COULD do this, and no one should have that level of control. Just because they got their asses spanked around by their customers doesn't mean they couldn't and wouldn't do this. |
| #14 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 4/13/2002 5:03:56 PM |
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"When people say MS would do this--they are referring to the FACT that they COULD do this, and no one should have that level of control. "
Oh get a grip already. Microsoft CAN'T do it, and that's the point. Every time I've seen some moron like yourself claim that Microsoft is going to force people to do such and such, you've turned out to be wrong. This is just yet another example, in a long list of examples. Be mature enough to issue an apology, or shut up. |
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