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Google employees are in the tank for Barack Obama. So is Bill Gates. But the Microsoft rank and file prefer Hillary Clinton. Cisco CEO John Chambers backs John McCain, although his employees are supporting Clinton. In an eWEEK analysis of individual political contributors at the nation's largest technology and telecom firms, tech workers are overwhelmingly betting their presidential dollars on the Democrats. | ||
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| #1 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 10/19/2007 9:38:30 PM |
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Well I'll bet Latch is a demo but I'd put money that Parker taint.
That's a 50/50 split in my book. |
| #2 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/19/2007 9:53:31 PM |
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Oh crud... we're doomed.
Alabama the Beautiful! Blood Red Until We're Dead! |
| #3 By 1226 (206.67.164.90) at 10/20/2007 4:44:11 AM |
| who really gives a shit |
| #4 By 3653 (65.80.181.153) at 10/20/2007 5:32:29 AM |
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sodablue says: Fred in '08
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| #5 By 12071 (203.214.147.18) at 10/20/2007 8:31:51 AM |
| #4 Maybe he's talking about the notion of looking out for one another, treating everyone like you would your own family. As #5 elegantly pointed out however... the people who really are in charge are unlikely to vote in a non-white non-male President. |
| #6 By 2231 (71.126.175.68) at 10/20/2007 12:56:19 PM |
| This topic would be more appropriate with the immature know-it-alls at Digg, not ActiveWin. |
| #7 By 15406 (99.224.112.94) at 10/20/2007 1:26:20 PM |
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#2: I'm not American, but I am not a fan of the right wing.
#8: Agreed. |
| #8 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/20/2007 1:49:06 PM |
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#10, The reality is that the right-wing is really tiny [thank God].
There are however, a lot of conservatives - small and medium sized business owners that simply do not like big government, or big business, for that matter - I being one of that group, of minimalists. There is too much waste - despite good intentions. If Sen. Obama were for really small government, he would most certainly have my vote. He isn't, so I'm going to have to go with the person that is. |
| #9 By 15406 (99.224.112.94) at 10/20/2007 2:44:05 PM |
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#11: I must admit to being confused sometimes about American politics. I've read that classic conservatism called for small government and small spending as cornerstones. The Republican party is the party of conservatives and the Democratic party is the party of liberals. This seems to fly in the face of reality, where the current Republican administration has increased the size of both government and spending. I've never seen a case where government significantly decreases its own size or appetite for tax money. So what options does that leave for true conservatives like yourself? I've also read the both major parties are simply different faces of the same beast, each beholden to special interests and powerful lobbies that essentially make up a shadow government.
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| #10 By 8556 (12.210.39.82) at 10/21/2007 12:26:15 AM |
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#12 You nailed it Latch. The US government is drunk from spending and getting drunker. Neither party knows how to balance a checkbook anymore. The dollar is going into the crapper due to the ~50% money supply increase since 2001.
We need a third party of realists, not jokers. But, what truly qualified person can afford to run against the two party empire? |
| #11 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/21/2007 12:45:32 AM |
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#12, It leaves us shaking our heads.
I mean, don't get me wrong, our constitution is a thing of real beauty - it literally brings tears to my eyes to read it. The more one examines it, the more one must embrace a respect for it. Essentially, conservatism isn't nearly as much about money and how it is spent, as it is about really, and a very deep level, wanting government out of our lives. For example, a real conservative cringes when the central government moves to protect marriage, or the flag. While we might agree with the opinion driving such moves, we respect the rights that the constitution protects more. The Republican party that continually reaches out to me for money, and participation, isn't the party that best represents a conservative's beliefs - neither do the Democrats. A constitutional conservatism asserts that the government needs to stay the heck out of every bedroom - not just the bedrooms of people that agree with it. I don't want the government busy in the lives of the people - in any way. The present state of affairs leaves people like me with only one thing to do - make things around us as good as possible - for our families, and certainly the people that choose to work in our businesses. That's about as good as it gets. Sad, but that is the present state. The "state" is enormous and it always wants more - more money, more of our energy and more of our time. It doesn't deserve it. Take the present war. Trust me, I know. I have fought and I assess I have earned the right to speak up about it - we are messing up big time.... when one wishes ot fight terrorists, it works like this... you hit and run. You fight and leave. You do not fight and stay. You show up, just as the terrorists do, like the prince of darkness, and you strike - hard! You strike and you leave and you never tip as to where you will hit next. You keep hitting them. You keep them terrified and off balance. You play "Smash Mouth" warfare. You hurt them. You never stay in any one place - not ever. They blow up a train - you nail ten training camps at once. They hit a subway, you take out 20 leaders - you murder them in their sleep - you become the boogey man - Friday the 13th and every very scary thing you can. Cont... |
| #12 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/21/2007 12:46:01 AM |
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The central government needs to be a lot like that - in our lives when and where we need them and only for as long as we need them. Then they get out of our lives. Out of decisions regarding women and their bodies and out of our homes. That does not mean that as people, we don't think that things like abortion are wrong. That is a personal decision and between the man and woman and their values alone - if that includes God, fine, but no government has the right to "rule" over people. On the other side of this is personal responsibility. If we are to be free, we must be free of entitlements and that includes healthcare. It is up to each individual and private companies to provide for that - not the damn government. Good people - good companies provide the best. I do. I love my people and value them. I pay 100% of their health, dental, eye and all other care costs - because they EARN IT! Without them, I am a loner and broke. With them, I am a unit, a company, etc...
Conservatives understand this math and I don't need any government to tell me a thing - certainly not how to live, or care for people, or how to run a business. Government is supposed to stand for and represent an example - of what we as a people agree that we value and nothing more. Today, we have professional politicians that are highly paid and privileged people that sustain themselves outside our laws and with our money. They buy votes and their stations with our money and all too often, with our blood and the blood of our kids. The planet from which we came deserves better from us. I am ashamed, frankly, that we have slipped so much. Candidly, when FDR bought our government with borrowed money, is when we ceased to be the Americans we were intended to be. I am old enough to remember and it still makes me weep. I didn't mind being poor and hungry. I do mind being a slave - a subject. |
| #13 By 3653 (65.80.181.153) at 10/21/2007 8:19:31 AM |
| although i dont blame bush for all the crazy spending (the lawmakers actually produce the budget), he has let me down by not veto-ing much much more. My theory is that both sides (donkeys and elephants) have finally conceded that spending taxpayer money... more often than not... plays to people that have the time and inclination to vote. Its all one big ball of vote buying. |
| #14 By 28801 (71.58.231.46) at 10/21/2007 8:47:43 AM |
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#15: “we must be free of entitlements and that includes healthcare.”
How do you suggest the impoverished of our country get healthcare? The greatest thing about our nation and our people is that we try to help those who can’t help themselves (although we don’t always do the best job at it). I would think that something as basic as doctors and medicine should be available to all. Our government needs to provide a “Ketchum” for the needy – a way to “pay 100% of their health, dental, eye and all other care costs” not because they earned it, but because they need it. Part of this “Ketchum” safety net would be to then provide the means to climb out of the net through education and other programs – you know “Teach a man to fish…”. #16: We need lobbying and earmark reform! |
| #15 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/21/2007 9:25:32 AM |
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#17, As I said, good men and good businesses.
Let me give you a couple of examples [again, I can only speak about what I have seen and know]. I hire men right off the street. A man comes to me and needs a job, I give him one and a living wage at that. If it works out, great, if not, I find him another one and he leaves with his head held high. I hire people that are young and in school. We make sure they are able to finish that school. We have interns and hire kids that are in trouble and we grow with them. I've had guys that were in trouble - lost their wives to illness and they had no insurance. I paid the fees and gave them jobs. No government was needed. No group of leaders were around to help us. It was just us. Just people. People who expressed a sincere desire to work and learn and grow and me and my guys who were and remain willing to help. By the way, it used to be this way all over. Men like me would give a man work. If that man worked hard, they'd grow together. Difference is I didn't forget and I don't expect a thing from government. I don't want them around and don't need them and neither do you. At present, I am working on a way to make public healthcare competitive - that's right, make care at public hospitals so good, they begin to pay for themselves. It is part of a larger network of providers centering around human wellness. I have recently been voted to the board of directors of an international board of medicine to work with other scientists and business people to provide a network of providers building a pre-screening and diagnostics system to help people not get sick in the first place. The idea is to find and connect more people who think as I do, that capable people are all over the place and together, we can build a network of doctors and providers that are willing to help. Finally, when all else fails, you do it yourself - a very few of us did all of this, http://www.fornicaraguanhealth.org |
| #16 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/21/2007 9:54:32 AM |
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#17, About teaching.
Here's what we did and do: we started a non-profit. A young man - the son of one of the companies we support, works there. Leading businessmen in our state fund a school and we provide life skills and traing. Not only for free - we pay the kids in the program. We take kids in school and we expose them to various work environments so they can discover what they like to do and what they are good at. When they find a place they like, they come back to that place and work part time as they complete school. It is privately funded by all the businesses that help and the results are amazing. We give young people a chance and we teach them. We set goals and in addition to math, science and language, we tech them business, technology, medicine, and most importantly, leadership, management and life skills that we hope will serve them and our community well. When they are done with school we send them to college and fund it. They continue to work part time. When they are done we place them inside one of our businesses if they like, or if they want to go someplace new, we find them a place to start. Again, we don't need a government to tell us what to do. We know what is right from wrong and building people, our towns and our state is the right thing to do. And we do this so often when we really can't afford to. That is terribly important. You have to understand, we're not a bunch of rich guys that do this to feel better about ourselves. Many of us struggled just to eat for decades. Many of us sacrifice and our families do, too. There are a lot of us - conservatives - that think this way. A lot more than many people can imagine and despite paying taxes out the nose, we give about all we have back to the communities around us and the people in them. What we get in return is the understanding that we are trying to make things better and of course, the very real respect one can feel when one walks into a room. I know that my men will do anything for me. If I called any one of them right now, they would do whatever I ask them to do. They know I won't of course - ask for anything I myself would not do first. It works like that. The kids that come out of our programs see that and it reaches them. It gives them hope at first and then a foundation. They learn that there are people around them that care and will help them - so long as they work hard and work to earn respect. |
| #17 By 26496 (67.163.251.151) at 10/21/2007 11:06:11 AM |
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#19 Well spoken. Honestly I have no arguement (WHY???) I do NOT vote. This is the reason why I don't believe in anything any of the sides have to say, I'm a registered Democrat, only because you have to pick something... I have many different ideas of ways things should be done maybe none of them correct or proper. Personally I find government a joke...
With the way government is today it's obviously driven by religion as well, and this is wrong - (my opinion of course), and that is one of the best things about this country is I can make my opinions (right or wrong), we all can, and we have the freedom of speech to even post and say those opinions. Many of the things #19 has said is dead on and I agree with most of it. While sitting on the fence as I do, you'll see things that are right on one side and wrong on both sides. I hate the way the STATE is where it's no different than a football game. Example: I'm a democrat everything a republican says is WRONG and vice versa and you can't change that. I DO NOT believe in religion so everything you say as a Christian or whatever FAITH is WRONG or vice versa and you can't change that. I want the Steelers to win this week and NOT Denver or vice versa and you can't change that... Just those three arguments is how our government has become. We need more partisanship - of course this is just my opinion. Now to something I wish anyone would do Republican or Democrat or Other, I feel that there should be no such thing as Income Tax. I feel there should simply be a national Sales Tax. It's pretty ridiculous that I pay into the government weekly enough money to pay someone $10.58 an hour for a 40 hour work week. This is money I could put into my OWN retirement plan, money I can spend the way I want and not the way the government thinks it should be spent. I do not need the government making my retirement plans for me or my spending. Just to add with that amount of tax being taken weekly, I do NOT make that much money (I guess that's part of being middle class and NOT married) the penalties you pay for being both... The national sales tax idea also covers every single living person and also taxes those that do not pay taxes such as drug dealers or others that simply don't pay taxes, rich, welfare, elderly, infants - you name it, but with more money into everyones pockets all they could do is spend - economic growth and then who cares what the government does with our money it would be theirs to do what they please and they could keep going on like big business as they do now, without it seeming like I'm being robbed... Remember these are simply opinions of a non-voter and posted (WHY!!!) because I can... Oh yeah I am a tech worker also... LOL This post was edited by Cellar Dweller on Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 11:29. |
| #18 By 28801 (71.58.231.46) at 10/21/2007 1:15:49 PM |
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Your efforts are noble and should be lauded as well as be used as a model for other efforts in this regard. I suspect, as you alluded, that this is a generational thing. That folks of your generation appreciate what it takes to get an education, get a job and feed your family when times are tough. My generation, the baby boomers, and subsequent generations have been spoiled. We’ve had things too easy and we’ve become selfish. We’ve never had to sacrifice like your generation. This is why your company is not the norm. And even if it were the norm, I’m not sure it would be enough.
Do I want my wages to be taxed like Latch’s (I think he said he’s from Canada)? Of course not! And I totally agree that there is way too much government - except when it comes to public health and safety. If very company were like yours, I assess that it would still not be enough as there will always be unemployment and poverty, and these are the people who need a safety net. We need to help people who can’t help themselves. |
| #19 By 3653 (65.80.181.153) at 10/21/2007 5:19:24 PM |
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rxcall - "How do you suggest the impoverished of our country get healthcare?"
My wife is a physician, and i assure you NO ONE IS TURNED AWAY because they can't pay. Instead, she gets up in the middle of the night to go help women that come to the ER with a belly full of kid... with zero prenatal care (even though it is available to ALL citizens regardless of ability to pay). She gets ZERO dollars for that work, btw. It is provided free of charge. Its correct, that these folks dont have insurance. But here's the little factoid that you're missing... THEY DONT NEED IT. They are taken care of... regardless. So, again... WHO is not getting cared for? Answer: No one. |
| #20 By 2960 (68.100.247.204) at 10/21/2007 6:35:42 PM |
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"Essentially, conservatism isn't nearly as much about money and how it is spent, as it is about really, and a very deep level, wanting government out of our lives."
Ok. so what the hell happened ? TL |
| #21 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/21/2007 7:34:59 PM |
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#20, Guilt and fear happened.
During the war, America prospered and created the illusion that wars were good for the economy. They aren't but that war took people off the streets and put them to work - either in uniform or in the defense industry. The rest of the world was devastated by the war and when it ended, it needed everything. A rapid conversion of war-time factories to produce machine tools, durables and consumer goods allowed our economy to recover and the production allowed the debt to be repaid. The devastation bought enough time for the economy to convert and for people to be retrained and resettled back into civilian life. There was intense guilt, or a sense of it - that we had been spared the worst of it - though our casualties were far higher than our western allies. 404,000 killed. Millions more wounded. There was also intense fear. People feared another depression - just like after the first world war - so the society remained very conservative socially and pent up. When the first baby boomers reached their teens and adulthood, a small, vocal number rejected the responsibility to carry things forward. Parents had had it tough and the kids wanted no part of it. An entire generation skipped school, so to speak and their younger siblings had to take over in the late 70's and early 80's. In the meantime, labor costs were going through the roof here in the states and at the same time, the rest of the world was recovering from the war and manufacturing was shifting out of the states. As this happened, social services that were once provided by companies, began to shift to the state. Taxes went up continuously as did social spending. Expectations went up, too. Few people of my generation spoke of what was - it was not polite or proper to share opinions about hardship, or how the war had impacted us. While it did, the sense of guilt and survivor's remorse was greater. We were simply grateful to be alive and grateful to be fed. To this day, my wife and kids find it so odd that I take so little for myself. Trying to get me to buy a new pair of shoes is real work for my wife - "I don't need any" is such a common and casual response from men like me. The truth is, we don't even think about it and it takes very little to care for people my age. We eat once a day; are happy with a decent cup of coffee and we read our Bibles more than any other book. We messed up. We should have spoken up and we should have thought about things more. We didn't. Now expectations are so high that I doubt that many companies or governments can keep up. So we have to change. We have to teach people how to serve many interests at once and really make a great deal more money than ever before. More than anything, we have to teach people how not to count on governments but themselves and one another. I fear the government. I always have. That is different than respect. I watched them burn vets out of the mall during the bonus march in the 30's. It scared me to death. I thought they would come for me, too [for some silly reason]. That ought not be. The government should fear the people - not the other way around. |
| #22 By 28801 (71.58.231.46) at 10/21/2007 10:06:45 PM |
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The impoverished may not get turned away, but what about - Joe middle class who happens to be between jobs and between insurance when stricken with illness that requires a month long stay in the hospital. He’ll get a 6 figure bill in the mail before he’s back on his feet. A bill that’s nearly twice as much as an insurance company would pay. Why, because the Hospital bureaucracy is trying to recoup much of the “Free” care that it’s provided to the impoverished guy.
We need some kind of health care program that distributes the burden and we need serious tort reform to help drive down costs. |
| #23 By 13030 (198.22.121.110) at 10/22/2007 9:27:22 AM |
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lketchum for President!
No government was needed. No group of leaders were around to help us. It was just us. Just people. People who expressed a sincere desire to work and learn and grow and me and my guys who were and remain willing to help. We don't need a government to tell us what to do. More than anything, we have to teach people how not to count on governments but themselves and one another. Why are there so few of us out around? Or, maybe we're not like the ranting, headline grabbing extremists? In my opinion, the biggest problems with our society today come down to an expectation of entitlement and a lack of basic respect for each other. |
| #24 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/22/2007 9:59:51 AM |
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#23, I don't know, Sir.
I suspect we arrived where we are in part, because too few parents made their kids do chores. One can't just holler at the kids to do x, y, or z... one has to be out there with them - setting an example and working harder than they do. Then one has to trust them to do it right and let them get it done. When they don't, they have to suffer the consequences for not doing as they are told. More work, less play does the trick with that one. They have to come to understand that there is a direct correlation between their own actions, or the lack of them, and what exists around them. Chores get this done. Funny you mention headlines, CH... to this very second, in my home and companies, I so often say, "let your work speak for you" - there is little talking about things. "We do things" People always say that we are from another time - BS. I am right here and I intend to be working for another 15 or 20 years at least. I still run the stairs and still drop for pushups. Another time my backside. When they put me in the ground they can say that - until then, what us old folks have to say is going to remain relevant. Guys like you and TL, and me have to stick together and remind the younger ones that making your kids work a good bit is not a form of abuse. It's a way to show them real love. |
| #25 By 13030 (198.22.121.110) at 10/22/2007 10:53:21 AM |
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lketchum, you are right about the kids doing chores. Just yesterday, my sons and I cleaned the house as a surprise for my wife since the "cleaning ladies" would be able to come this week. Not once did my sons complain about what had to be done--they just did it and did it well. Growing up, I had a fixed set of chores for Monday through Friday: unloading/loading the dishwasher, vacuuming, cleaning the bathrooms (to this day I can clean a toilet better and faster than anyone! hah!), picking up after the dog, and dusting. On the weekend, mowing and yard work were the norm. I also spent many memorable times with my dad in the garage wood working, plumbing, electrical, doing basic car maintenance (even helped him replace the turbo charger on his car once--no small feat since the dealer said it required an engine lift), and so on. I still remember these basic tasks and techniques, so home repair is a non-issue for me as an adult. My sons will follow in my footsteps in this regard.
Another interesting anecdote from the home front. My oldest son (10 years old) has been wanting to enter a local marathon. He's been mentioning it for a few weeks and, although I have some reservations, I decided it would be a good experience for him and his 8 year old brother. (They're both superb academics and athletes, so this is a natural challenge for them to want to face.) Well, when my wife asked my oldest whether he wanted to enter the the "family fun run" or the 5K, he said, "The 5K." She said the fun run would be $20 and the 5K would be $40 for both of them and she wanted to make sure they were up to entering the real thing--the 5K. His immediate response was that he would go get the $40 (he's got a lot saved) and pay for it. He thought we were balking at the expense which we weren't. What struck me is how he stepped forward without complaint and was willing to pay for this for both him and his brother. (For the record, since some us are probably sounding pretty old, I'm 40.) |
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