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It's official: Mac OS X Leopard to go on sale October 26 | |
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After much speculation, Apple has confirmed that the next version of its Mac OS X operating system, "Leopard," will hit stores on Friday, October 26, at 6 p.m. The company has stated that Leopard, which was delayed this spring due to the high-profile iPhone, includes more than 300 new features in comparison to its predecessor, Tiger. | ||
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| #1 By 62611 (71.236.164.130) at 10/16/2007 1:56:36 PM |
| 300 new features yet at WWDC this year they should 8 of the 10 same ones they showed last year. Which makes me think the rest of them aren't impressive at all. |
| #2 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 10/16/2007 1:56:43 PM |
| Yawn. |
| #3 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 10/16/2007 2:26:18 PM |
| I am pumped, and I will be upgrading straight away. Hopefully MS will learn from these MAC OS releases and put forth a better effort on post Vista releases. |
| #4 By 11888 (67.70.18.93) at 10/16/2007 3:48:56 PM |
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oh boy! This Andre guy posted more flamebait! You can count on him for that! This post was edited by MrRoper on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 at 17:03. |
| #5 By 48398 (70.102.157.10) at 10/16/2007 4:40:15 PM |
| Why does is always have to be mac vs pc? I like both but for my needs I use a PC. I've always loved Macs but I hate mac users. |
| #6 By 23275 (172.16.10.31) at 10/16/2007 5:09:12 PM |
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#5, I think it has to do with the pass that Apple has been provided so consistently by our industry's press. Also, that same press seems to have ignored the facts and the time-line opposite Windows Vista's development and exactly who copied who - hint, it ain't Microsoft running the photocopier.
It'd be nice if we could get past that and both camps - MS and Apple and all of us that support either, or both could evolve just a bit and say, "Hey, that is pretty cool - we'll be working on adding similar capabilities in our next xxxxxx release." That would be terrific and both sides could admit following one another around a bit and free both user bases up for more productive dialog. I think for any good to come of any of this, we have to reign in our own press and begin to demand more of them - they could start by telling the truth - Apple is no small company and no underdog. Apple is a huge and wealthy company capable of dominating markets based upon its own merits and work. Pretending Apple doesn't or can't doesn't respect Apple or its users and it doesn't allow for a balanced debate, or effective comparisons. |
| #7 By 15406 (99.224.112.94) at 10/16/2007 7:51:14 PM |
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#6: Excuse me??? Other than portable music players, name one market Apple is in any position to dominate. They used to own the education sector, but MS has steadily eroded that base with a combination of cheap commodity PCs coupled with almost free software. And with their tiny OS percentage on the desktop and non-existent server presence, they are most certainly an underdog in that context. They are still the preferred vendor in multimedia circles, which generates a lot of income, but not much market penetration overall.
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| #8 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/16/2007 8:28:22 PM |
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#7 What part of, Apple is a huge and wealthy company capable of dominating markets based upon its own merits and work got lost in that sea of molten clay between your ears?
Apple is a big company. Apple is a wealthy company. Apple is growing. Apple has shown that it can dominate markets - name one other PC manufacturer that is as successful in retail, or portable media? Apple certainly is a leader and it needs to be held to standards - just as you assert Microsoft must, if we are to be allowed to participate in a meaningful debate opposite the benefits of its computer and SW products, relative to others. Apple deserves that scrutiny and the debate deserves objectivity. We can no longer assert and perpetuate myths about either Microsoft, or Apple - or the balance of the *nix for that matter. I mean c'mon, Ubuntu just now - with Gutsy Gibbon - has native multi-monitor support [native to Windows since Win98 (we have to start to admit the dang truth about things)]. |
| #9 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/16/2007 8:28:36 PM |
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... I cannot get the new Awin done fast enough...
Deleted double post. This post was edited by lketchum on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 at 20:29. |
| #10 By 48398 (130.13.158.96) at 10/16/2007 8:37:09 PM |
| Who would disagree that if Apple allowed it's OS to run on generic PC hardware and sold it in a retail box for all, it would seriously hurt the Microsoft desktop OS share? Linux isn't the threat, Apple is. All they need to do is sell the damn thing. From my point of view, it would be the biggest thing in this market in the last 10 years. |
| #11 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 10/16/2007 9:17:14 PM |
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It'll never happen with Jobs at the helm of Apple. An OS supporting a million different types of hardware is the software equivalent of a black hole and Jobs knows it. The only possible alternative would be Mac clones. And we all know where this led Apple in the past - to the highway to hell. Enjoy the Mac for what it is - a very polished, albeit expensive, alternative to Microsoft. |
| #12 By 62611 (71.236.164.130) at 10/16/2007 9:52:32 PM |
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They could easily release OSX for the PC. Yes, there are alot of pieces of hardware out there that need to be support, but leave it to those vendors to create the drivers for their hardware. Apple creates the specifications for creating drivers to interface with it's OS and those vendors adhere to that. Problem solved.
Look at how well hacked copies of OSX run on non apple hardware, all with absolutely no support. Yes, apple will lose hardware sales. But they can more than make up for it in software sales. They would snatch up a huge market share over night. |
| #13 By 82766 (202.154.80.84) at 10/16/2007 9:59:36 PM |
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#12 - Apple creates the specifications for creating drivers to interface with it's OS and those vendors adhere to that. Problem solved.
As great an idea that is... it hasn't worked for Microsoft and the hard/software developers have had more than enough experience (and time) to get their drivers working properly! of course I'm referring to Vista as its "current and new". |
| #14 By 82766 (202.154.80.84) at 10/16/2007 10:11:19 PM |
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Was just reading some of the OS features... and started thinking to myself...
Why hasn't Apple been taken to court for pre-installing software like its music and movie player/editing software when Microsoft had to remove Media Player just to please the courts? Surely this a double standard? Maybe I missed something or completely misunderstood something regarding the N versions of Windows but if Apple is allowed to pre-install all this iLife stuff then why can't Microsoft?? Whats the difference??? This post was edited by MyBlueRex on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 at 22:12. |
| #15 By 15406 (99.224.112.94) at 10/16/2007 10:37:52 PM |
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#8: I'm not arguing that Apple does not do well at retail, but this hasn't translated into dominance in marketshare other than the iPod in the hardware media player segment. One home run does not a slugger make. While there is a small Halo effect that spurs interest in other Apple products due to iPod's popularity, it's not like they can effectively leverage iPods to enter other markets. The iPod is not a significant platform like a multi-purpose computer is.
#14: What are you missing? Perhaps the fact that one of the two companies is a predatory, convicted monopolist and the other isn't? |
| #16 By 23275 (71.12.191.230) at 10/17/2007 12:16:08 AM |
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#15, Let's at least try a different approach...
The iPod is a reflection of the closed architecture that the MAC and OS X represent - and Apple - closed, as in not open, or available. Neither is exclusive, but each is exclusionary. Both represent not just lock in, but lock out - the Apple way, or the highway. You mention PC's - as though Microsoft actually builds them. They don't. So they could not possibly have dumped cheap computers on the education and learning markets. Budget considerations and a free and open market where low cost, relatively powerful PC's were available, moved Apple out of that space. Budgets drove decisions - the PC based market responded, Apple didn't. Developers of the software once better on the Mac, reached parity on the PC. Developers benefited - more PC's, more software to sell. Cheaper PC's - more money for software. It's math. It's the market. It works. You persist in asserting that the PC and Microsoft didn't earn their success. They always were dominant...? Nope. Not even close to reality. I had the pleasure of working today with an older IT pro - one that knew Mr. Gates when he was a boy and Paul before he got sick. He's a customer, a mentor and a friend. We met for about three hours today and covered a great many subjects. We touched on Apple and a shared thirty plus year history working with and observing Apple's products. Specifically, we were examining a web archive created on a MAC - but it led to a long discussion about Apple and how it had every chance to evolve as a platform - but didn't. In his lab, which looks a lot like my own, there was great diversity. Apple and the Mac represent a complete lack of diversity - limited in choice - in every way. Nothing is sadder than to have seen what Steve Jobs did to Apple - he saved it, by destroying it. That is what we concluded - working there among the dozens of test systems. No billions he could ever earn will take away the truth - he had to kill it to save it. It's like tuners. Provide the chassis and the tools - some tuners will build amazing rides - others will try, but build a monster that looks even worse. When I got back to my own lab, one of my guys had just finished our first desktop replacement - a laptop that actually runs a desktop Core 2 and GPU. I'll hand deliver it in the AM. It took us years to achieve that machine. Is it as elegant as a Mac? Nope. Is it as beautiful as a fine race car? You bet it is and just as fast in its own context. Where it matters most, it smokes any laptop out there - PC, or Mac. It's all brushed metal, less its carbon fiber out-sert. It can rip a 5.5 WEI and shred all but a Core 2 Quad. One may even connect a drive to its eSATA port and create a RAID on the fly - even a NAS BALUN where an entire network becomes just another drive. In Apple land this would have been impossible and after Steve and Co. got done with me in court, there'd be nothing left and perhaps the fastest laptop in the world would never have been. Sad. That's the only word for it. |
| #17 By 48398 (130.13.158.96) at 10/17/2007 1:36:22 AM |
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The main downfall for the PC market and perhaps why Apple is so afraid to tread into it is people like my friend and places like Fry's electronics. I build custom computers maybe once or twice a year because in my eyes, they are custom designed works of art. Not unlike a custom car or motorcycle. My medium is the PC and they work reliably for years. In 12 years of doing it, only one failed and it was a power supply. I have a good friend who is STILL using a 733 P3 I built for him in 1999. But I know this industry and the manufacturers who produce reliable products that are supported for more than 2 years. Sadly, your first-year DIY overclocker crowd give PCs a bad name. I see them all the time.
Apple can hand-pick their parts and keep their systems the same. #16, you are right about Apple's foray into the clone market but you have to recognize that those systems were PowerPC based, not the standard-issue Intel chipsets that currently run Apples. The market is there and it wouldn't be much of an effort on Apple's part to deliver that product to the PC world. I have a Dell Inspiron B120 that runs OSX perfectly right now. So there might be some problems with manufacturers producing drivers. How sweet would it be to steal 25% of Microsoft's share in one year, even if it is at a loss of revenue? With Vista's unnecessarily bad reputation, how easy would it be? Apple is in a different place it was a decade ago. I remember walking with my father through MOS11 in Texas and watching machines pull a silicon crystal from a crucible that would eventually be formed into a wafer to produce PowerPC chips for the Mac. When I walked out the door, there were pallets upon pallets of PowerPC Mac computers being removed and replaced with PCs. I wish to hell I had a picture of it but digital cameras didn't exist back then. They have a tiger by the tail (pun intended) and they choose not to move on it. Almost makes me think they are biding their time. This post was edited by Crand2 on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 at 01:38. |
| #18 By 2960 (68.100.112.199) at 10/17/2007 7:54:50 AM |
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It's not that hard.
Some things are best done, or easier, on the Mac. Some things are best done, or easier, on a PC. If I was buying my Sister a computer for strictly business use, I'd get her a PC (though as a typical home user, she's a Mac person). If I was buying my 70 y/o Mom a computer to surf the web with, I'd buy her a Mac. With the exception of FileMaker Pro and 4th Dimension (whatever the hell happened to that?), the Mac has traditionally been a lousy database platform. I still believe today that the Mac is a superior platform for content creation. There's no question the PC is a better gaming platform, but that's not because of any inherent difficiency in the Mac. It's because Jobs is a hardheaded bonehead that does not believe in games it seems. An OS is the underlying support of a platform, and IMHO should not define the machine. Applications and their ease of use/power should define the machine. It's sad that BOTH Microsoft and Apple have forgotten this. At least in Apple's case, the mashup of underlying platform support and applications has resulted in some truly wonderful, useful applications. TL |
| #19 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 10/17/2007 9:14:32 AM |
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#16: Please stop with your strawman trick. You're attributing all kind of positions to me that I've never said or believed.
The iPod is a reflection of the closed architecture that the MAC and OS X represent - and Apple - closed, as in not open, or available. Neither is exclusive, but each is exclusionary. Both represent not just lock in, but lock out - the Apple way, or the highway. I don't disagree with that at all. However, it has nothing to do with what I was talking about, that contrary to what you claimed, Apple is most certainly an underdog and is not in a position to dominate multiple markets. You mention PC's - as though Microsoft actually builds them. They don't. So they could not possibly have dumped cheap computers on the education and learning markets. Budget considerations and a free and open market where low cost, relatively powerful PC's were available, moved Apple out of that space. While I could have phrased it better, you know that I was not saying that MS makes computers. The availability of cheap, powerful PCs coupled with MS giving heavy educational discounts forced Apple out. This is true and I don't disagree or have a problem with it. Apple did not respond and got burned. You persist in asserting that the PC and Microsoft didn't earn their success. They always were dominant...? Nope. Not even close to reality. I persist in no such thing. MS made a lot of smart moves in the early days to cement their dominant position. My problem with MS, which I *have* stated several times but you always seem to conveniently forget, is that they act completely unethically to maintain their position and use their dominance in one market to squash competition in other markets which is a violation of anititrust law. So again, how do you see Apple as not being an underdog, and how are they capable of dominating multiple markets considering their market share in desktops in measured in single digits, their server share is non-existent, and they can't leverage the only market they *do* dominate into new markets? |
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