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  The next leap for LINUX
Time: 06:23 EST/11:23 GMT | News Source: International Herald Tribune | Posted By: Andre Da Costa

Unlike Windows from Microsoft and OS X from Apple, Linux is not owned, updated or controlled by a single company. Thousands of developers around the world work on Linux, making improvements and issuing new versions several times a year. Because the core Linux software is open source, these developers have the right — some would say responsibility — to borrow from one another's work, constantly looking for enhancements.

The Ubuntu version of Linux runs the Dell computers. Because Dell does not have to pay a licensing fee for the operating system, the computers are $80 cheaper than PCs with Windows Vista Home Premium or $50 cheaper than the stripped-down Vista Basic edition.

Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, acknowledged that "there are a few dark spots but they really tend to be fairly rare, and in practice quite often the biggest hurdle is simply that Linux mostly doesn't come preinstalled and set up for you." He also says that the easiest way to get Linux is to buy the DVD (or CD) from one of the most common sources. One way to ease the transition to Linux is to buy a support contract. For $50 you can download Novell's version of Suse Linux with a year of support. For $35 more you get a CD.

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#1 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 10/4/2007 6:42:05 AM
Now folks, no butting in line - there are enough of CDs and support contracts for everyone.

#2 By 32313 (208.131.186.18) at 10/4/2007 6:43:03 AM
So, I could buy a system from Dell with Vista Home Premium ($80) which already comes with at least 5 year support from MS for the OS which is cheaper than paying Novell $50 (per year) plus $35 for the CD which would be total of $285? Come on Linus, don't tell me you are that naive.

More BS from this article:
But Linux has always had a reputation of being difficult to install and daunting to use. Most of the popular Windows and Macintosh programs cannot be used on it, and hand-holding — not that you get that much of it with Windows — is rare. But those reasons for rejecting Linux are disappearing.

I thought thats what a lot of users complain the most about on Windows, the hand holding, the wizards, the giving help when you can do it yourself? Sounds like this guy never used Windows before, seriously.

One challenge for Linux users is finding media players that work with encrypted music and DVDs. Ubuntu comes with a movie player, but it is not automatically configured to play copy-protected commercial DVDs. To watch a movie, the Linux user must install necessary codecs, or decoders. One way to do that is to first download a program called Automatix from www.getautomatix.com.

When you run that program you get an ominous warning that downloading and installing "non-free codecs without paying a fee to the concerned authorities constitutes a CRIME in the United States of America." Users in the United States are advised: "please do not install option AUD-DVD." Users who ignore that legal warning can then configure Ubuntu to play commercial DVDs.


So I need to download extra software, configure it and commit a crime in the process to watch a movie when DVD Play back works out of the box on Windows Vista Home Premium and OS X? Fun, fun, fun!

It will not work with copy-protected music bought from iTunes or other online music stores.

Sounds like reason enough to call Linux, never will be ready for the end user or desktop - I think I'll pass.


#3 By 65179 (221.128.147.164) at 10/4/2007 8:07:02 AM
Why doesn't ActiveWin present the article as it is?

#4 By 2960 (68.100.112.199) at 10/4/2007 8:14:45 AM
#2,

Actually, if you buy Windows installed by an OEM, there is no support from Microsoft. All support must come from the OEM.

TL

#5 By 32313 (208.131.186.18) at 10/4/2007 8:35:42 AM
Well, TechLarry, with the thousands of support options available for Vista, I think not getting support from MS or limited support from the OEM should not matter. Enthusiast website like this one, forums dedicated to Vista, Microsoft MVPs, Microsoft newsgroups. Support for Windows is pretty much assured and lets not forget "Google is your 'friend'.

I can understand things like warranty and repair, but that relates to hardware, not the software which is the main issue here. consumer4beta, I posted snippets from the article that I wanted to highlight in this case. Its not something I normally do, but I felt I should for this particular post.

#6 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 10/4/2007 9:04:27 AM
#2: o, I could buy a system from Dell with Vista Home Premium ($80) which already comes with at least 5 year support from MS for the OS

Go ahead and call MS. They'll ask you for your credit card number. I'm not sure what you've been smoking, but you don't get 5 years of support from anyone, OEM or MS, with Windows.

So I need to download extra software, configure it and commit a crime in the process to watch a movie when DVD Play back works out of the box on Windows Vista Home Premium and OS X? Fun, fun, fun!

Yeah, US law sucks, doesn't it? Meanwhile, it's not a problem for the rest of the world. btw, how do I watch DVDs out of the box with XP again?

Sounds like reason enough to call Linux, never will be ready for the end user or desktop - I think I'll pass.

Oh noes! It doesn't work with iTunes! I guess I'll have to rip my own CDs instead of buying low-quality, overpriced DRM-wrapped singles from Apple. The horror!

Are you trying to challenge parkkker for the crown of Leader of the Loonies here?

#7 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 10/4/2007 11:24:55 AM
Canonical owns Ubuntu. Canonical is a private company.

And, through Dell, Canonical charges 275$ for 1 year of standard support - which is 9-5 Weekdays.


#8 By 8556 (12.207.97.148) at 10/4/2007 12:07:16 PM
Contrary to popular belief I see the main audience, aside from "geeks", for Ubuntu Linux as persons that only "want to use e-mail and the web". There are many people that would be satisfied with Ubuntu 7.04, or the upcoming 7.10, as long as they had broadband access. I have seen retired people go giddy over the capability to download and install hundreds of free programs quickly and easily. Anyone in business that I deal with, or families that want to play CD-ROM Windows games always ask for Windows only. Families with teenage boys whose eyes tend to lead them to adult sites, that lead to me cleaning spyware and viruses from the PC, sometimes ask for a Live Ubuntu CD to try. One family now only lets thier son use the web on Ubuntu with Firefox. The son no longer can access the PC in Windows safe mode as admin and doesn't know the Windows User password. Odd, that Ubuntu serves those on a limited budget well, and porn surfers. Eveyone in between can afford to use Windows and will continue to do so, even if its on a Mac. Installing OEM Windows on a Mac can bring in bucks also.

#9 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 10/4/2007 12:57:03 PM
#8 Have they ever tried Vista parental controls? I've only had limited exposure, but it seem to be very good. On the kid's Windows XP PC I use Mcafee (free with Comcast) which also has Parental controls albeit far less user friendly than its Vista counterpart.

#10 By 2960 (68.100.112.199) at 10/4/2007 1:01:21 PM
I don't care squat about using Linux as a Desktop OS, but it does one HELL of a job as the OS in my QNAP TS-20x NAS Server boxes :)

TL

#11 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 10/4/2007 1:17:55 PM
#8 The only person I know who recently tried Ubuntu gave up. It was slow and he couldn't find drivers for his PC.

#12 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 10/4/2007 1:38:40 PM
The only person I know who recently tried Vista uninstalled it. It was slow, and the drivers that were available for Vista didn't work very well, or no drivers existed for the hardware.

#13 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 10/4/2007 2:19:09 PM
#12: Was her name - Latch?

or

ch

This post was edited by rxcall on Thursday, October 04, 2007 at 14:33.

#14 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 10/4/2007 2:32:42 PM
dp

This post was edited by rxcall on Thursday, October 04, 2007 at 14:34.

#15 By 8556 (12.207.97.148) at 10/4/2007 2:46:47 PM
#9: The customer was using XP Home. The customer felt/feels no compulsion to buy Vista as it would mean a new PC and a lot more cash than a dual boot XP/Linux config.

#16 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 10/4/2007 2:59:25 PM
#11: The voices in your head don't count as real people. The part about Ubuntu being slow is nonsense, but there might have been some validity to the lack of drivers depending on what the hardware was. Too bad Vista has this same problem. I have a 4 yr old system that runs XP just fine and properly detects the integrated audio. I installed Vista on it and there is no audio. Vista can't handle 4 yr old audio hardware. Not exactly impressive.

#14: You're looking for a DP? This isn't a porno site, bud.

#17 By 8556 (12.207.97.148) at 10/4/2007 3:50:50 PM
#11, It is true that Ubuntu currently does not support all motherboards, depending on the chipset used. Nforce boards are still a problem. I prefer nVidia chipset boards for performance when using an AMD processor. Ubuntu 6.1 did not like my preference much at all. Via chipsets, however, work great with Ubuntu 6.1 and 7.04.

This post was edited by bobsireno on Thursday, October 04, 2007 at 15:51.

#18 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 10/4/2007 4:42:37 PM
On the subject of Linux....

Can anyone please explain to me why the type fonts in Linux looks so bad?

It is the major reason I am always disappointed in Linux (I've tried many).

In "Windows Whatever" the fonts are extremely crisp and readable. In any Linux distro type is annoyingly fuzzy and hard to read. Additionally, the fonts don't scale well.

So as a substitute to "Win Whatever" it always fails - I can even stand to read web pages for very long.

#19 By 54556 (67.131.75.3) at 10/4/2007 5:21:22 PM
I can make them look fine, and have done so for several years. Are you sure you're using TT fonts, or might the system be substuting a fixed-width PS font? Also does your underlying graphics system (software as well as hardware) support antialiasing? TT will look lowsy without that capability.

#20 By 3746 (72.12.161.38) at 10/4/2007 6:59:37 PM
Just note about my own experience with Ubuntu. I wanted to give another Linux distro a try and tried to get it loaded on my own computer. I tried three times to get the latest version to load and it failed every time with no explanation or error screen. This is a computer that has had both XP and Vista running perfectly on it. I gave up because i didn't have the time to try and get it working and only wanted it to play with anyways. I have downloaded the latest Beta and am going to give that a go when I have some time.

I really do like Linux OS's but as I see it they still have a long way to go before the average user is going to be using it on the desktop.

#21 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 10/4/2007 7:07:30 PM
#16: I knew you looked familiar...

#22 By 15406 (99.224.112.94) at 10/4/2007 10:18:30 PM
#20: Here is a quickie blog post that has a bunch of Ubuntu 7.10 screens, including fonts. Take a peek and tell me the fonts don't look good:

http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2007/10/ubuntu-710-changing-look.html

#23 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 10/5/2007 7:52:26 AM
#22: Compared to Vista and Mac they look amateurish - but I guess that's the point!

#24 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 10/5/2007 8:22:10 AM
The fonts look good. I'd probably pick a theme with different ones, as I am not a fan of bold fonts for text on my desktop. They are definitely readable. The nice thing about a themeable OS is that you can pick the colours and fonts you like, not what someone else thinks you should like. Linux does this. Windows does this. And that's a good thing(TM).

#25 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 10/5/2007 8:33:20 AM
#23: If you didn't like the DejaVu fonts for whatever reason, then pick from the several others included by default. I'm partial to the Bitstream Vera font myself.

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