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Microsoft's Open XML Format Hits Standardization Speed Bump | |
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| Time: 00:09 EST/05:09 GMT | News Source: BetaNews | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Microsoft's Office Open XML format, which were introduced in Office 2007 and already certified by European standards body Ecma International, hit a speed bump Friday on its "Fast Track" process to become a worldwide ISO standard. A technical committee called V1 established by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) to submit a recommendation on the format to the INCITS Executive Board, which decides the official United States position on proposed standards, failed to reach a consensus before its July 17 deadline. | ||
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| #1 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/18/2007 8:24:09 AM |
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Despite their usual tricks, like stacking the committees with MS toadies in the US and Italy to actually having the Portugal committee president being on the MS payroll, Microsoft is having a tough time buying its way into the ISO club.
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20070715200544734 http://www.piana.eu/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=1#0 http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=pt_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmv.asterisco.pt%2F2007%2FJun%2Fcat.cgi%3FMS%2520OOXML |
| #2 By 12071 (203.206.255.210) at 7/18/2007 10:03:28 AM |
| #1 Money will win out in the end... they haven't spent this much money for it not to get through one way or another. Sure it can't even be called a standard as it's completely ambiguous, missing vital information all over the place making it impossible for anyone but Microsoft to actually implement said standard and has beauties such as "do this like Word 95 did it" only to then not explain how Word 95 did it (perhaps not even Microsoft truly knows!)... but when has that stopped anyone! |
| #3 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/18/2007 12:28:14 PM |
| #2: I know, it's pathetic. If only MS had stopped posturing and participated in the OASIS group that defined ODF. Instead, they stayed away, and then complained afterwards that ODF didn't meet their needs. Their gall is amazing, but it was all a ploy to justify MS creating their semi-open standard. I'm actually surprised that they're getting as hard a time as they are. I'm generally used to MS buying its way in and out of things. Well, MS can bamboozle the meek press up to a point but it seems that some of the old guard ISO members see the MS nonsense for what it is and refuse to approve their application. Good for them. |
| #4 By 28801 (71.58.231.46) at 7/18/2007 4:36:08 PM |
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IBM - what a joke! This post was edited by rxcall on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 at 16:36. |
| #5 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/19/2007 8:32:19 AM |
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#4: I'm sure IBM's bankers are laughing.
If you want to read something really disgusting as far as MS' lack of ethics, read this: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2007071812280798 This is the Microsoft I have come to know and despise. Lies, dirty tricks and Freudian projection are their tools of trade. |
| #6 By 32132 (66.183.203.110) at 7/19/2007 10:23:19 AM |
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They key thing to remember is that Sun owns ODF and (in a few years when more than 10 or 12 people are using it) will sue anyone using it without huge licensing fees.
And Sun has promised IBM a huge kickback. ODF is also deeply flawed. This post was edited by NotParker on Thursday, July 19, 2007 at 10:23. |
| #7 By 32132 (66.183.203.110) at 7/19/2007 10:25:41 AM |
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Humor from Wikipedia:
"The OpenDocument ISO specification does not contain a defined formula language. This means that ISO conforming files do not have to be compatible ." "The OpenDocument ISO specification does not allow for tables in presentations. "Different applications using ODF as a standard document format have different methods of providing macro/scripting capabilities. There is no macro language specified in ODF. " "The ODF standard is insufficiently detailed, requiring excessive application specific namespace extensions to record document features. These application specific namespace extensions are not necessarily interoperable between ODF compliant applications." "Java applets are described as native objects in the OpenDocument specification (§9.3.4). This means any full implementations will require a java virtual machine present from within the application." "The Sun OpenDocument Patent Statement [25] applies to a future version of ODF only if Sun participates in development of that version. If Sun does not participate, then the assurance not seek to enforce any of its enforceable U.S. or foreign patents against any implementation will not apply." ODF is a joke. |
| #8 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/19/2007 10:58:47 AM |
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#6: You know, I've generally avoided dealing with you over the recent past because you're such an idiot without a leg to stand on, metaphorically, but today I'm feeling generous (and bored). I notice all your ranting against ODF comes from Wiki, where anyone, even MS idealogues, can edit to their hearts content. I've already debunked all these points before, yet you keep clinging to them like a baby to his blankie.
The OpenDocument ISO specification does not contain a defined formula language. They're working on it, and have been for a while now. You see, they want to get it right instead of doing an MS and hacking up a formula language hairball that is simply mathematically wrong in many ways. The OpenDocument ISO specification does not allow for tables in presentations. This sounds like MS whining about how ODF doesn't support legacy MS documents, even though MS had the opportunity to help define ODF -- and they declined. And so what? if this is a critical function that people demand, it will be added in a future revision of the spec. There is no macro language specified in ODF. See the point above. The ODF standard is insufficiently detailed There's the Freudian projection. How can MS claim ODF isn't sufficiently detailed when MSXML is crawling with representations in their tags known only to MS, guaranteeing that nobody will implement MSXML except MS and its partners? They claim ODF is insufficiently detailed, yet somehow others have managed to implement it. It must be magic, I guess. Meanwhile nobody is implementing MSXML other than MS. Basically, you & MS can whine all day about how ODF doesn't meet your needs, but nobody cares. Everyone sees the posturing, games & all-around shenanigans MS plays and that neuters any FUD MS tries to foist. Their efforts at ISO will fail miserably. MS has yet to learn that you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool everyone all of the time. Especially when you have a long history of trying to fool everyone all of the time. |
| #9 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 7/19/2007 12:28:10 PM |
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Oh noes! It looks like South Africa has also given MSXML the boot.
http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=1641 |
| #10 By 32132 (66.183.203.110) at 7/19/2007 4:11:58 PM |
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"They are working on it".
Perfect epitaph for the flawed and incomplete ODF standard owned by Sun. FSF definition of "standard" - Incomplete and unusable ... but at least it isn't Microsoft!!!! This post was edited by NotParker on Thursday, July 19, 2007 at 16:14. |
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