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Unrelated: 911 no help as woman dies on emergency room floor | |
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| Time: 16:33 EST/21:33 GMT | News Source: Yahoo News | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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I dont normally do this - but I was very appalled at the atrocity that the hospital commited in this case. I hope you all take a look at this video and you can see some of the things that are wrong with the healthcare system in America. | ||
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| #1 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 6/13/2007 5:13:36 PM |
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The police did eventually arrive to assess what was going on.... and they may have put the final dagger through the poor woman's heart... instead of helping her, they arrested her on an outstanding parole violation and she dies as they were wheeling her out of the ER.
It appears that at least in this case, an abject lack of compasion will be viewed and treated as a violation of the law - at least in the context of a civil court. |
| #2 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 6/13/2007 9:48:39 PM |
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Compassionate care is not dispensed in an ER.
Prompt and adequate care should always be so directed, criminals notwithstanding. Even so I can attest to the difficultly in caring for convicted fellons. This lady made the ultimate error of ending up at King-Drew. |
| #3 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 6/13/2007 10:51:29 PM |
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I dunno... the more perspectives I read of and encounter... the less I know... but my gutt tells me about this, the same things it told me about wounded enemy - once they were bleeding, they stopped being enemy and became just people. The same has to be true of criminals - once they are down, they are just people. and the compassion part, that is something we hold for ourselves as much as we do others - we lose that and somehow we have to become less than we were meant to be.
Practically, I fume - a blood pressure cuff and a couple of seconds would have revealed that the lady was tanking and in real trouble. We have this really old homeless guy who comes around periodically - we always give him things and call him Sir. Most days he shouts all sorts of things - not at anyone in particular, but it scares many people. He's never done that around us. I always look upon him and think one thing, "you today, me tomorrow" - wondering what in the heck might have happened in his life to create his circumstance. Like I said, I dunno. |
| #4 By 80543 (69.180.208.217) at 6/13/2007 11:15:31 PM |
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This isn't a commentary on "the health care system in America." It's a commentary on one government-run hospital and LA's 911 operators. The taxpayer-funded hospital (i.e. a socialized-medicine hospital) broke the law my not rendering aid to the woman. Emergency rooms are, by law, not allowed to turn away patients with life-threatening emergencies. The 911 operators' reactions are a little more understandable ("you're calling 911 from an emergency room?"), but they should have at least dispatched police on an emergency run to check out the situation.
And people actually WANT government-run health care... |
| #5 By 9589 (75.183.125.87) at 6/13/2007 11:44:39 PM |
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Well said, harnessg.
By the way, another poignant example comes to mind - Walter Reed Army Medical Center. There, out-patient care facilities were ill-kept for our hero soldiers. Yep, another poster child for government run health care. |
| #6 By 44902 (213.182.214.94) at 6/14/2007 4:07:06 AM |
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Ame-e-e-e-rica, ame-e-e-e-e-rica, blah-blah blah-blah-blah-blah...
Hospital Stuff was just too busy! Morons... |
| #7 By 80489 (207.188.245.3) at 6/14/2007 8:41:34 AM |
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Its just ridiculous! Every person in that emergency room should get the same care, no matter where they came from or what they did before they arrived. As far as the 911 people, they should have simply taken the information down and alerted both the police and the hospital of the situation in a professional manner. This post was edited by drewpage on Thursday, June 14, 2007 at 08:42. |
| #8 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 6/14/2007 8:48:52 AM |
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As long as the US Health Care system is greed based instead of care based, things like this will happen.
At the top of this greed heap is the Drug companies. Their greed ripples down through the rest of the system, poisoning it as it goes along. Due to the high costs caused by their greed, the rest of the system suffers. In this case, it was probably a lack of staff that was mainly at fault, and as with anywhere lack of staff is usually caused by cut-backs and lack of funding. It's hard to fund a medical system when the drug companies are sucking up all the money. IMHO... TL |
| #9 By 931 (72.54.142.197) at 6/14/2007 10:03:16 AM |
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Here's a tip.. don't be a junky and chit like this will not happen to you.
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| #10 By 135 (216.17.26.137) at 6/14/2007 10:14:38 AM |
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#4, and #5 are absolutely right.
If this woman had just had the good sense to be Wealthy, she could have gone to a hospital where she would have received excellent care. This isn't the hospitals fault, it's the fault of the patient for not being wealthy. |
| #11 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 6/14/2007 7:53:19 PM |
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TL,
I say the IT industry is greed based. How about MS? How about Google? What about capitalism has you confused? Oh, I get it medical care is supposed to be a big charity. Pardon me while I puke. |
| #12 By 2960 (24.254.95.224) at 6/15/2007 8:11:10 AM |
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#11,
Before putting words into people's mouths, you might want to perfect the art first... TL |
| #13 By 48398 (130.13.158.88) at 6/15/2007 9:47:14 AM |
| All I know is that when my number comes in, everybody else can go screw themselves. If I had money, I'd be an evil SOB and go around kicking midgets. |
| #14 By 135 (216.17.26.137) at 6/15/2007 11:04:53 AM |
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#11 - What you are talking about is not capitalism, but rather statism.
In free market captalism, the consumer has a right to complain about the quality and price of the product offered. |
| #15 By 11888 (64.231.3.226) at 6/15/2007 3:09:40 PM |
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Being a Canadian I'm "shocked and awed" at the responses here. We're proud of our universal health care system. Rich, poor, or in the middle you get the care you require. Capitalism is great, but people's health and well-being shouldn't be included in that system. Should only those with money get police and fire protection also?
I understand that we live longer up here despite our harsher climate and generous servings of bacon. I can't imagine getting gravely ill and having to wonder how I'm going to pay for this instead of the seriousness of my health. Somehow someone has wired into the minds of Americans that social services like that is bad and to be feared. Like some slippery slope into full-fledged socialism. (Of which Einstein said was inevitable I think, but that's another story). Additional private insurance companies will pay for things like private rooms etc., but the fundamental care is always there. It's far from perfect, but so far it's pretty good. |
| #16 By 135 (75.73.90.215) at 6/15/2007 11:10:31 PM |
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MrRoper - It doesn't matter. Some of the guys down here are convinced that their path to happiness is to insure some CEO makes big bucks, regardless of how much they rip off the consumer. It's baffling, but as a result we can't have an honest debate about healthcare and the problems it faces.
The basic problem with healthcare, is it can't operate as a free market. A free market depends on several things, notably... educated consumers, and consumers who can take the time to shop around. We could probably do something on the education side. But I'm afraid the shopping around time is pretty hard to manage when you're dialing 911 in the midst of a heart attack. |
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