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| Time: 05:24 EST/10:24 GMT | News Source: *Linked Within Post* | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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When filling in this survey you will be able to apply for the Microsoft Softgrid 4.5 Technology Adoption Program (TAP). Microsoft SoftGrid Application Virtualization is the only virtualization solution on the market to deliver applications that are never installed, yet securely follow users anywhere, on demand. It dramatically improves IT efficiencies, enables much greater business agility and a superior end-user desktop experience. | ||
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| #1 By 45754 (164.140.159.143) at 5/31/2007 6:35:46 AM |
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http://www.techlog.org/archive/2007/05/31/microsoft_softgrid_45_timefram
TAP program will be from fall 2007 through spring 2008 first beta is expected in october 2007 first release candidate is expected in march 2008 RTM: late spring 2008 |
| #2 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 5/31/2007 8:27:45 AM |
| The portability is nice for corporate use, but for personal use something like Altiris SVS is much simpler & better. |
| #3 By 32132 (142.32.208.234) at 5/31/2007 11:57:42 AM |
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#2 Maybe you could do a review of you personal experience with both? Along side your in depth review of Vista.
Zero pages will be easy to read. |
| #4 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 5/31/2007 12:58:09 PM |
| #3, Forget it - you're yelling at a rock. Latch does not appear to be interested in objectivity, much less posting from anything resembling a pragmatic base - a proper assessment requires both. |
| #5 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 5/31/2007 1:10:35 PM |
| #4: Me being lectured in objectivity from you, the premier MS Apologist here... that would be the day. fyi I am quite familiar with SVS and tried SoftGrid before realizing it was a massive enterprise-style virtualization solution. I know you don't typically read my posts without the help of your bias filters, but I didn't slam SoftGrid. I said SVS was better for personal use. Care to refute that, or are we going to hear another one of your stories about how your customers all line up at your shop to get Vista tattooed on their foreheads? |
| #6 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 5/31/2007 2:49:06 PM |
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#5, Yes, and as much about appropriateness, too. Mark any day you'd like where I responded to you and you'll find both. Most days I read your posts with something of a heavy heart - wondering what in the world happened to you to produce such a perspective. I've tried to understand, and from subtle spelling characteristics, in your posts - use of "our(s)" vice "or" for example <on select word endings>, suggests you were at least educated outside of the U.S. - so it is perhaps easier that our perspectives will differ and greatly - with a difference - I am not the one posting to OSS/FOSS user sites behind you and casually attaching personal insults about you or your customers. Again, we come back to "use" something I've written to here today - NotParker clearly wrote in reference to your lack of actual use of Microsoft software and used a relevant example in your lack of experience with Vista - to appropriately suggest you do not have the personal experience with the software from which one would establish a pragmatic basis for an objective review - yet you elect to comment regardless.
So here's an example, of what I and others might reasonably expect of you: REF your question to me, "Latch, I do not know. I have not used SVS and I have no experience upon which to base any opinion. Can you provide specifics, or direction to resources that can provide me and others with information upon which we may base an assessment of the value of these technologies and how they may be used?" A thoughtful, hate-less response to that question would begin to form the basis for constructive discourse relative to the posted subject. With you, that doesn't happen, because you don't offer the basis for it - and that leaves one to post as I did. |
| #7 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 5/31/2007 3:20:51 PM |
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#6: OK, first off... I posted a non-hostile post about software virtualization. Then you jumped in with your laughable (and, ultimately, hypocritical) judgment on my objectivity, and here we are. Stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.
If you are serious about software virtualization for the desktop user, check out SVS here: http://juice.altiris.com/svs A quick Google for 'Altiris SVS' would have gotten you there even faster. I also read your posts and wonder where you got your perspective on MS, how you can totally ignore their unethical & immoral behaviour, the damage they have caused by their actions etc, but then I remember the dollar signs and everything makes sense. Like I said before, when you're making money off the beast, you pretend the warts & smell don't exist. |
| #8 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 5/31/2007 3:36:32 PM |
| #7, What?!? Were you dropped on your head as a child? |
| #9 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 5/31/2007 3:41:54 PM |
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Lets see. Here is the sequence of events as I read them:
1) Latch makes a sensible post about how this product might serve the Enterprise market well, but he has an alternative for personal use, and gives it. Nothing derogative in his post. 2) Parkkker responds with the following derogative drivel: "#2 Maybe you could do a review of you personal experience with both? Along side your in depth review of Vista. Zero pages will be easy to read." 3) lketchum responds with more derogative drivel: "#3, Forget it - you're yelling at a rock. Latch does not appear to be interested in objectivity, much less posting from anything resembling a pragmatic base - a proper assessment requires both." 4) Latch responds in kind to the previous 2 negatively worded posts. 5) lketchum gets offended because he has to taste his own medicine. I think Latch gets the high ground on this one. |
| #10 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 5/31/2007 3:43:29 PM |
| #8: I can't believe you're stooping so low as to speculate on my mother's parenting skill. |
| #11 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 5/31/2007 4:11:02 PM |
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#9, You are kidding right - one relevant post among a sea of largely irrelevant personal attacks, no more purchases moral high ground than it establishes credibility - we can't take one post and consider it in islolation from that which came before it.
#10, You know better than that - it was very probably the other children around you - who'd had enough. A good friend of mine recently shared, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals, they may come in handy." - it is the foundation that is missing in the majority of Latch's posts, or that he attempts to erect such monuments without them. |
| #12 By 32132 (142.32.208.234) at 5/31/2007 5:03:44 PM |
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#9 Why do you consider me commenting on the fact that Latch has never used Vista "derogatory drivel"?
And why do you consider this amazingly accurate statement -- "Latch does not appear to be interested in objectivity, much less posting from anything resembling a pragmatic base - a proper assessment requires both." " to be derogatroy drivel? In both cases they are accurate statements and you look foolish contradicting them. |
| #13 By 37047 (74.101.157.125) at 5/31/2007 5:15:37 PM |
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#11: No, I am not kidding. What part of "on this one" do you not understand? Those are pretty short words, easily parsed. If we are going to base whether any post should be listened to based on all other posts that have gone before it, then no one here should bother posting. Or maybe the rest of us should just stop listening to you and Parkkker for the same reason you stated. I personally judge each message on its own merit, and don't decide to ignore you just because you've written pure drivel from time to time. I'd even read what Parkkker writes, on the slight chance it was something OTHER than drivel. Each thread is an island on its own, and in this one, Latch gets the high ground, and you are sinking faster than a brick full of holes in a high gravity environment. After all, you and Parkkker threw the first stones, not Latch. This is not always the case, but in this thread, it is.
This is precisely why I have cut way back on my posting lately. With the MS apologist crowd (lketchum, Parkkker, mooresa, etc.), it is almost impossible to have an actual conversation that doesn't immediately devolve into personal attacks as soon as someone has the gall to say anything that is the least bit critical of Microsoft or any Microsoft product. This behaviour also likely turns a lot of other people off of this message board, and causes them to go elsewhere for intelligent conversation and debate. I think I might have to seriously consider joining them. And don't worry, I have absolutely no doubts that I won't be missed at all. You folks can go back to bowing before your deity from Redmond and castigating anyone who dares say anything at all negative about your Redmond deity. |
| #14 By 37047 (74.101.157.125) at 5/31/2007 5:19:15 PM |
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#12: It is drivel because Latch's statement has absolutely nothing to do with Vista. He used both products, and gave an opinion on both of them, and where he thought each was more appropriate. You focus on what OS he is running on his home system. That is irrelevant, and therefore pure drivel as far as this discussion is concerned.
As for the second statement, see the previous paragraph. The same applies. |
| #15 By 32132 (66.183.202.89) at 5/31/2007 6:28:26 PM |
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#14 "He used both products"
Where did he say that in post #2? Assuming he has used both products is as wrong as assuming he has used Vista when he comments on it. "As for the second statement, see the previous paragraph. The same applies." Both of your statements are wrong. |
| #16 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/1/2007 8:57:36 AM |
| #11: I knew you were joking but wanted to get in on the posturing that frequently happens here. |
| #17 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 6/1/2007 10:01:31 AM |
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#17, Well one thing is for sure - this site sure reflects the deep divisions that exist across what appear to be two principle camps. We appear to have two worlds, as well as two countries [for those in the US, where this statement would apply most especially].
I have seen Presidents come and go since Alfred Emanuel "Al" Smith ran against Hoover in 28 and trust me, it isn't new - the divisions are just more visibly frequent owing to the nature of modern media. [back then blue states were red <in color> and red states were blue - I laugh when I think it had to be some graphics kid at some network that was confused when TV first went to color and it was reversed]. Seems we have Jeffersonian Platonists on one side, and a diverse mix on the other. The ironic thing is that if most people studied "Yeoman farmers" they'd see themselves and probably recognize that they want the same things - namely, earning their right to own land and the beginnings of the idea that all people could one day own and dispose of property. I don't think it is complex. We want very little: a) The right to own and dispose of property b) The right to trade freely and without interference c) The right to dispose of any government that restricts or violates a) or b) Notice we don't "ask" of, or want the government [any government] to do a damn thing - except leave us alone. It won't change - we'll continue to disagree and our kids will disagree and their kids and so on - and one day, regretfully, the idea that men were meant to be free, but only if they earned it, will pass into history. I know this, because I have seen too many young men - my own Sons included, say, "I know I could do what you did, but I don't know if I want to - it is too hard." That kind of thinking is what causes men to turn to governments and organizations to do for them what they should be doing for themselves. In me there is this thing that says, "I'd rather be dead a thousand times, than live any other way." I don't think we're going to patch that up and we're going to become one big fat organism with an index finger over a mouse button. Fundamentally, one side agrees that it takes an entire village to raise up a child and on the other side, people assess that they are wrong and want the village elders to stay the hell out of their homes. Where it all breaks is when we want the later, but we also want the former to fund it. If you look at all of our posts - you'll see what I mean and be able to easily recognize where each person comes down on the issues. |
| #18 By 28801 (65.90.202.10) at 6/1/2007 11:58:53 AM |
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Sentinel: Please share some of these message boards that aren't slanted in one way or another. My experience is that people are as polarized about MS as the Iraqi war, regardless of the site.
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| #19 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 6/1/2007 1:01:30 PM |
| I see this thread of comments going no where. Let's keep it civil so I don't have to start deleting comments. |
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