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Windows XP to be phased out by year's end despite customer demand | |
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| Time: 02:52 EST/07:52 GMT | News Source: APC Mag | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Computer makers have been told they'll no longer be able to get Windows XP OEM by the end of this year, despite consumer resistance to Vista and its compatibility problems. By early 2008, Microsoft's contracts with computer makers will require companies to only sell Vista-loaded machines. "The OEM version of XP Professional goes next January," said Frank Luburic, senior ThinkPad product manager for Lenovo. "At that point, they'll have no choice." Despite Microsoft's relentless promotion of Vista, manufacturers are still seeing plenty of demand from customers for systems preloaded with XP, especially in the finicky SOHO market. | ||
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| #1 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/12/2007 9:20:17 AM |
| Hmmmph. The joke used to be Microsoft was in favour of choice, so long as you chose Microsoft. Now they want to dictate which Microsoft you choose. Good thing MS always knows what's best for us. I read an interesting post that said previous versions of Windows didn't need to be cut off at the knees like this because people were clamouring for the new version. Not this time, apparently, regardless of how many baked sales figures MS trots out. |
| #2 By 9549 (12.150.6.130) at 4/12/2007 10:06:15 AM |
| What happened to all the dropped 'end all be all "features"' that were supposed to be in Vista were going to ported to XP for longer life cycles of both Os's? For that matter what happened to the end all be all features period? |
| #3 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 4/12/2007 10:23:38 AM |
| They aren't offering the 2006 Civic through dealerships next year? How dare they! Honda is evil. They only care about money. Because everyone knows they only make money on 2008 Civics, not the 2006 models. Duh! And it's just not possible to buy a car any other way than through a dealer, of course. |
| #4 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/12/2007 10:28:50 AM |
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#2: MS bit off more than they could chew. I'm sure those missing features, or something based on them, will pop up down the road.
So Dell is saying that customer demand is forcing them to put XP back on systems instead of Vista. Now I'm really confused. MS says Vista is the best-selling OS in the history of the universe, and yet nobody wants it and the OEMs are reverting to XP. |
| #5 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/12/2007 10:31:04 AM |
| #3: Funny how they didn't have to do that with any other upgrade. It reeks of desperation. |
| #6 By 2201 (194.205.219.2) at 4/12/2007 10:47:18 AM |
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#4 the Dell example is rubbish. From the very day that Vista was released they have offered buyers the choice of either Vista or XP, it's not they are putting XP back and replacing Vista, buyers have had the choice from the beginning!
This makes business sense, obviously if you are going to sell your new OS/product/whatever, you phase out the old one. So what is exactly the problem here? And since every new version of Windows comes out, there's always still demand for the last one. Quite why people seem to think that the demand suddenly screeches to a halt the minute a new version comes out I don't know. Move along, nothing to see here. |
| #7 By 32132 (142.32.208.234) at 4/12/2007 10:49:04 AM |
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When you buy Vista you also get downgrade rights.
"Can I downgrade my OEM version of Windows Vista Business to Windows XP Professional? Yes. OEM downgrade rights for desktop PC operating systems apply to Windows Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate as stated in the License Terms. Please note, OEM downgrade versions of Windows Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate are limited to Windows XP Professional (including Windows XP Tablet PC Edition and Windows XP x64 Edition). End users can use the following media for their downgrade: Volume Licensing media (provided the end user has a Volume Licensing agreement), retail (FPP), or system builder hologram CD (provided the software is acquired in accordance with the Microsoft OEM System Builder License). Use of the downgraded operating system is governed by the Windows Vista Business License Terms, and the end user cannot use both the downgrade operating system and Windows Vista Business." |
| #8 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 4/12/2007 10:49:25 AM |
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Once again, the author only speaks for the end user. Meanwhile, Microsoft customers that have Software Assurance contracts can use any one of the operating systems that they choose to use.
By the way, is "despite customer demand" the same thing as saying, "many people think," or right thinking Americans want to know," etc? Sounds like the author was meeting a deadline with nonsense. "Readers" are getting tired of that mularky! |
| #9 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 4/12/2007 11:33:12 AM |
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Few posts and joined threads identify the two sides attending how software, technology, and probably life in general, are viewed as well as this one.
While the recommendation to ignore this thread is a good one, there is some value in the underlying messages being reflected. On one side we see some good things - hope that things are moving forward, optimism, common sense, and reality, and on the other, the ubiquitous messages of doom, negativity, avarice and the suspension of disbelief. One needn't ID who falls on which side of the obvious line here - we all know who is who. Testman at #6 said it best - see, common sense. This post was edited by lketchum on Thursday, April 12, 2007 at 11:42. |
| #10 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 4/12/2007 11:55:05 AM |
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#3: Here is a slight variant on your example, to better illustrate the other side of the issue. When Honda came out with the Prelude, did it feel compelled to quickly phase out the Civic? No, they just sell both models, give yearly updates to both models, and make more money by selling Civics to those who want the latest Civic model, and Preludes to those who want the latest Prelude model. That is good business.
Your example would be more apt if Microsoft was phasing out selling of Windows XP SP 1 and only allowing OEMs to sell Windows XP SP2, and then when XP SP3 comes out, withholding licenses for SP 2, so that only the latest model of Windows XP is being sold. That was basically what your example was illustrating. Close, but not quite the same thing. |
| #11 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 4/12/2007 12:00:47 PM |
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Latch: #3: Funny how they didn't have to do that with any other upgrade. It reeks of desperation.
Short memory. They've done that with every version I can remember. At some point, they stop selling the older version. What a crazy idea. |
| #12 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 4/12/2007 12:06:41 PM |
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#10--but it's not two different models. I can see that if they sold, say, MS DOS and Windows at the same time (or say, Vista and Singularity...). But this is a new version of Windows, not some other OS. Besides, they are still selling XP pre-loaded on machines for a year--that's a long time. They can't support every OS forever, and people will complain if they buy an XP machine in 2008/9 that they bought an OS with a very short support lifespan.
This isn't new. Look back to how long you could get 2000 pre-loaded after XP came out--it wasn't this long. |
| #13 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 4/12/2007 12:11:18 PM |
| As I'm reading these comments... it's funny to note how one of the reasons cited is "backwards compatibility." And how many times have we read that people wish that Microsoft just cut ties with backwards compatibility ("like Apple does!")? There's just no way to please everyone. |
| #14 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 4/12/2007 12:11:31 PM |
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#12, bluvg, the word crazy may well be appropriate - Microsoft is on track to add an additional 4 billion in profit this year over last - against a record, 50 billion in revenue.
If that is desperate in any way, then we should all be so lucky to be equally hopeless. |
| #15 By 47914 (24.225.231.107) at 4/12/2007 12:12:39 PM |
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#5 It reeks of desperation.
YOU should be so desperate!! This post was edited by mirt on Thursday, April 12, 2007 at 12:15. |
| #16 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/12/2007 12:22:10 PM |
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#7: What if you don't have either of those versions? And why would I want it anyway, considering Vista lets 17% of all known malware through?
#9: If you think I'm full of crap then come out and say it instead of this veiled fluff you type. #10: A much better analogy. #11: Thanks for pointing out the bleeding obvious. Yes, I'm well aware that they eventually stop selling old versions. #12: Honda sells cars, Accord and Prelude are two different models of Honda car. They sell them concurrently. There is demand for both. Honda recognizes that it can better serve different groups with different models, and I don't just mean different options packages (Vista editions). It only makes sense to drop XP when the economics dictate. If people want to buy it, and there are enough of them to validate continued work on the OS, then do it. This just appears like MS is in a hurry to push everyone to Vista, and so that end we don't know what their motivations are. The generous would say MS only has user's concerns at heart and wants everyone to benefit from the supposed increased security in Vista. Others, who have seen MS in action, might think it's a cynical ploy to force upward migration to spur sales of Vista, PCs and upgraded apps that work on Vista. |
| #17 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 4/12/2007 12:36:43 PM |
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#16, As I said, and you have confirmed, One needn't ID who falls on which side of the obvious line here - we all know who is who. If you'd like to make a public admission of some kind, then that is up to you.
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| #18 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 4/12/2007 12:47:06 PM |
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#13: Who, beside the original article author, has mentioned backward compatibility as a reason?
#12: I think XP should be co-developed and supported for as long as sufficient demand is there because I think Microsoft could make even more money by selling both products. If no one was buying XP, and demand from the OEMs and retail outlets showed that people were flocking to Vista, and XP sales had tanked, then this would be a non-story. But in this case, it sounds like the demand is still there for XP, so why wouldn't Microsoft want to make money from the people wanting to purchase a new system with XP preloaded? Since Microsoft is a public company, and driven only by the need to make even more money than it did in previous quarters / years, the only logical course would be to drop XP, so that would stop being an expense to maintain, despite the amount of money it could make them, and force everyone to use Vista, which they charge even more money for, and have only one OS development team. From a corporate perspective, it makes sense. However, it is a lie to claim that it is being done for the benefit of the consumer. However, as a mega-corporation, they have to be more interested in the shareholders than the customers. That is just a natural side effect of being a public company, and almost all public companies of any significant size have this problem. I am certainly not picking on Microsoft specifically in this particular case. |
| #19 By 32132 (142.32.208.234) at 4/12/2007 12:55:57 PM |
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#16 "And why would I want it anyway, considering Vista lets 17% of all known malware through"
Poor Latch. Bad math skills again. (Actually, the same old lie) The truth is 96-98% of current malware didn`t run on Vista. "Symantec's results showed that even with such technologies, about 3% of existing back doors and about 4% of existing keyloggers can successfully be installed on a Vista system and survive a reboot without any modifications to the code. In addition, 4% of existing mass mailers and 2% of Trojan horses and spyware programs tested successfully infected Vista, Whitehouse said." http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9011986 This post was edited by NotParker on Thursday, April 12, 2007 at 12:58. |
| #20 By 32132 (142.32.208.234) at 4/12/2007 12:57:47 PM |
| Latch, when do you plan to actually try Vista so your lies will have a tiny bit more believability? |
| #21 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/12/2007 1:10:14 PM |
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#18: Ah yes, the MS apologist crowd on the side of truth, justice and the American way. Anyone critical of MS is a doom & gloom negativitist who clearly, clearly, can't see reality. You're getting more like Parkkker every day. It's funny, though. Whenever I point out something massively boneheaded or evil on MS' part, I never ever get any refutation from you or Parkkker, just generalizations and distractions. Who is suspending their disbelief again?
#20: AMD64 X2s just dropped like a stone and Intel is announcing their own C2D price breaks later this month. I won't pick up a new system for at least 1-3 months now. maybe in August during the Back To School sales. And even then, I'm not going to waste much time with it. After I've played with Ubuntu 7.4 I'll decide if I'm going to it or back to XP. Vista's got too much baggage and I don't need the hassle. Maybe when SP1 comes out I'll pay attention again. |
| #22 By 2201 (81.107.201.78) at 4/12/2007 1:16:42 PM |
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#16 Latch - bad analogy. Windows Vista is a newer version of Windows, not a different line. So if we were using a car analogy, we'd say Honda Civic 7th gen (XP) and Honda Civic 8th gen (Vista). Honda stop production of the 7th gen when the 8th gen is out.
Now if you are talking about Accord and Prelude, then you'd be talking about 2003 Server and Vista. Two different lines based on similar technology and both will run concurrently. XP has been replaced by Vista, like Civic 8th gen has replaced 7th gen. See? |
| #23 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/12/2007 1:25:12 PM |
| #22: I see just fine. The problem is I disagree. There isn't a perfetc analogy and instead of arguing over who has the best one, I'd rather just say that MS should continue to sell both. It's arrogant and reflective of the problems of their monopoly that they can be in the position to say "We refruse to take your money for A and we'll instad insist you buy B". A smart business takes the money from whetever stream it's coming from. Now, I don't pretend to know all the details of the channel and the MS/OEM relationship, but if there is demand then it should be serviced. Forcing users to do what is against their wishes or interests is arrogant and indicative of a culture of entitlement at MS. |
| #24 By 8556 (12.210.32.201) at 4/12/2007 1:25:54 PM |
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5 years passed from Windows XP's release to Vista's release. In that time span XP wound up on a LOT of PCs as both OEM and upgrades from Win98. The initial release of XP was scorned by many happy Windows 2000 users, and that was only 2 years after Windows 2000 came out.
Windows "2010" will be scorned by satisfied Vista users that don't want that silly WinFS and other future features. |
| #25 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 4/12/2007 1:28:35 PM |
| #21: I am a Microsoft apologist? I am sounding more and more like Parkkker every day? You've got to lay off that crack pipe for a few days, and let your body recover. :-) I presume you simply mis-numbered the comment? |
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