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  Hello WinXP SE: Microsoft Reshuffles Roadmaps, Again
Time: 08:42 EST/13:42 GMT | News Source: The Register | Posted By: Julien Jay

Microsoft has reshuffled its roadmaps once again, and begun briefing partners and customers to expect an interim upgrade to Windows XP, dubbed XP "SE", in the first quarter of next year. This buys more time for the Longhorn team to complete the complex task of implementing a native database file store, which Jon Honeyball first revealed to the world at The Register here, last August. In January we exclusively confirmed that the native, SQL Server-derived database would go in Longhorn, with the Blackcomb release - originally earmarked for the transition - pushed out to 2004. XP SE will be principally a consolidation release. Candidates for inclusion are the essential .NET client-side plumbing: the common language runtime (CLR), Internet Explorer 7.0 and DirectX 9.0, and a mature Bluetooth stack.

One caveat: whether an XP SE will actually appear at all is another matter. All such briefings have the flavor of market testing exercise, and from experience we know that Windows roadmaps are only valid until they're superseded, and this can happen fairly frequently until the official, offical product is declared. This is exactly what happened with WinME, and to an extent with Win98 SE.

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#1 By 931 (24.98.84.138) at 3/22/2002 1:36:37 PM
Yeah there will be winXPSE the only question is the timing, and wheather or not they will charge money for XP users to 'update'. Frankly this is why my organization is passing on XP for as long as possible.. sure we may use a few copies of .Net Server 2003, but we're not even thinking of it on the desktop. If you want to know why .Net Server line was delayed untill late this year.. I have it on good authority these were some of the primary reasons.

1. Corporate america was posed to pass on the whole XP\2002 server path.. there all just getting up to speed and finially untilizing win2k. The IT market being in the state it's in, even if companies wanted to rollout the new OS, there was such a lack of new 'needed' functionality that no IT manager could get budget approval for the upgrade.

2. While it was just about ready to ship, they decided they really would rather delay it a few months to integrate and test the shipping version of the .net CLR and any major updates and handle any major security patches before shipping it with the server OS. Not to mention delaying it about 9 months allows time for developers to introduce 'compelling' .net applications that and can make more use of .net server.. there by giving an added push for .net\2002 server.

I also think they want to give time to see if this 'web blade' market is really something they want to do..and play more with different version offerings, not to mention that it buys them more time to get .Net\2002 server (Datacenter) ready and test more on 64bit chips. Not to mention buying them alot more time to stress and security check this next version. Bottom line.. they rushed to get XP\2002server ready only to find the market was not ready for it.

This yearly\18month upgrade s**t may work for the consumer market ( i doubt that), but not only does it not work in the corporate market.. it pisses people off. I really wish they would hold off on this update untill mid 2003. In the meantime where the hell is win2k SP3 ? it's been about a year since the last SP?? I know it was nearly ready to ship in november so wtf..
And they dam well better include the intel-hyperthreading patch in SP3! It hallarious to read Q articals that were written in october that mention "this has been fixed in win2k sp3".. blabla.. I mean I even see it in some developer documention... so where the hell is this patch already!







#2 By 1642 (172.170.202.105) at 3/22/2002 2:06:12 PM
Speaking of SP3...
Another reason to delay .Net Server 2003, although possibly minor: Exchange Server 2000 SP3.
If they consider Exchange as part of their family of .net servers, then it better be able to run on .Net Server 2003, which it can't until they get SP3 out the door.
I doubt this is a problem for SQL Server 2000, but is it also a problem for other parts of the .net server family? I don't know.

This post was edited by Bernard_Marx on Friday, March 22, 2002 at 14:07.

#3 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 3/22/2002 3:49:29 PM
KnightHawk - "Corporate america was posed to pass on the whole XP\2002 server path.. there all just getting up to speed and finially untilizing win2k."

That's too bad because COM+ v1.5 fixes most of the real problems still left in Win2k.


But I do have to agree that we don't want or need a new OS every year. 4 years between releases is more than adequate, perhaps with an Option Pack, SE release or something after two years. But such an update had either be free, or very low cost.

#4 By 1845 (12.254.230.230) at 3/22/2002 4:28:16 PM
If I remember correctly, Windows 200 was launched about 15 Feb 2000. Had .NET Server actually been released on time (in Feb 2002), then we are talking a 2yr (for servers) upgrade cycle. Two year is significantly different from 1 yr/18 mo.

Windows 2000 entered beta 3 some time in late summer (about August). It didn't get released untill six months later. Since .NET server only entered beta 3 in January, I wouldn't haev expected it any earlier than at least June of this year - which is closer to 2.5yr between it and Windows 2000.

As for WindowsXP, it is a major upgrade for users of 9x OS's. It is a minor upgrade for users of Windows2000. Minor upgrades you can skip and wait for the next release. Quit whining about too many products - just don't use the ones you don't like. If there is so small a difference between Windows 2000 and WindowsXP in your mind, then don't buy it. Quite a simple solution in my mind.

"we don't want or need..." Who are YOU to say what WE want or need?

#5 By 1845 (12.254.230.230) at 3/22/2002 10:25:29 PM
If they were such a large part of significant corporations, they more than likely wouldn't be spending as much time here as they do. But besides that they are two among millions of windows users.

#6 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 3/22/2002 11:27:02 PM
BobSmith - It doesn't take that much time really. As far as working for a signifigant corporation... let's just say that our companies President once told Congress that what was good for us was good for America.

But the upgrade cycle is too costly. It's not so much a question of not wanting features, but it's the difficulty and cost of migration. The problem has been that the versions are so incompatible that it's difficult to support multiple releases, which means standardizing on something older.

This situation does appear to have gone away with regards to the Win2k -> XP upgrade release. As long as we don't have to modify existing apps to go from a Win2k -> .Net Server upgrade, that would be no brainer as well.

But the company has gone through 3 signifigant upgrades of MDAC, with each one costing us just over $1 million because of rework, and so now when updates are mentioned we're extremely leary and don't trust the "well it should work."

Oh, and to a point... the cost of the software licenses isn't the issue. It's the deployment and testing work. That's what the people advocating Linux don't understand because it would cost 10 times more to move that direction.


This post was edited by sodablue on Friday, March 22, 2002 at 23:28.

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