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Time:
00:43 EST/05:43 GMT | News Source:
InformationWeek |
Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum |
In an interview with InformationWeek today, the Microsoft CEO bemoaned the phone's $499 price tag, lack of a keyboard and the hype factor that comes solely because of its brand, while noting that many other vendors are doing similar things for less.
"I don't think this would be a very interesting announcement if anybody else had announced exactly the same product," Ballmer says. "If you didn't put the Apple name in that equation, I'm not sure how people would assess it."
Ballmer points out that the iPhone " or whatever it will ultimately be called, dependent on the outcome of Apple's battle with Cisco over the iPhone trademark " will start at five times as much as some phones on the market today that have similar features and functionality. "Today, you can buy phones for $100 that do e-mail, browsing, video, Office productivity " those are the Windows Mobile phones," he says. "There's a lot of innovation coming out of companies like Motorola, Samsung, HTC - a good partner of ours in China - [and] Palm at low price, high volume, good quality."
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#1 By
72459 (65.182.54.90)
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1/18/2007 7:40:37 AM
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Hey Ballmer, did you know that your LifeCam Cameras are 3 times as expensive as regular webcams, and let's not even get to Vista being more expensive than XP was.. ?
What the.....??
Anyone else get the shameless plus there as well??
This post was edited by mwaldron on Thursday, January 18, 2007 at 07:41.
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#2 By
7390 (69.113.155.216)
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1/18/2007 9:04:20 AM
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what else is he suppose to say?
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#3 By
23275 (68.17.42.38)
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1/18/2007 9:43:01 AM
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#2, Don't you get it....? Microsoft employees and executives are supposed to plug the other guys' products while publicly stating that their own products stink. That is the type of competition Microsoft is expected to support.
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#4 By
7390 (24.188.166.243)
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1/18/2007 11:05:53 AM
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#3, thanks for the clarification. I didn't know that Microsoft was/is suppose to operate under a different set of laws and moral code than every other company
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#5 By
3 (62.253.128.14)
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1/18/2007 11:19:35 AM
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Its a good sign they know they have to come out with something that competes better with it in the future, Microsoft don't talk about other peoples products unless some kind of annoyance that it is better than theirs comes about.
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#6 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
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1/18/2007 11:24:40 AM
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He makes valid points (that others have made as well)--and he sticks to legitimate criticism, rather than pot shots (I was a bit disappointed when they took a shot at Time Machine in the Vista demo...). Nonetheless, it will come across as sour grapes. And, it's pretty obvious they are jealous of Apple's ability to make the press give them a total pass on just about any product and claim (though I was surprised that at least some were giving substantive, critical reviews of the iPhone).
After watching and contrasting their presentation at CES vs. Jobs' iPhone presentation (granted that they have completely different audiences), they certainly could learn a few things from him. Enderle makes a good point about the mascot-like PR aspect of Jobs, and I think in some ways it speaks well of Microsoft to have different presenters give demonstrations, but the Microsoft demos almost always feel nervous, rushed, and like the presenter is missing the point of why they are demo-ing in the first place.
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#7 By
23275 (68.17.42.38)
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1/18/2007 12:13:12 PM
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#6, Very good points and observations.
I've watched a lot of the presentations Microsoft gives and worked with a few of their staff for a few days a couple of years ago. I came away understanding something very significant about that company - they Dogfood even their marketing. So when their marketing people seem nervous, it is because they actually are - they are using and demonstrating real things on real systems - so they, their understanding and all systems - regardless of dependencies and any potential for failure, have to be spot on. The risk that something will go wrong is very real.
Informally, I asked one of them why that was, and he said simply, "would you have us do anything else?" No. is the only good answer and I came away with a lot more respect for Microsoft. What he communicated was that from the chairman on down, they all have to eat it if something goes wrong. I liked that - it's honest in a way few companies emulate.
#6, I think the audiences at a MACWorld event are as closed to diversity as the Apple, Inc. platform. CES is wide open and as many people not at all interested in computers, much less Microsoft could be in the audience - so one is going to see far fewer instances of pure enthusiasm. MACWorld's audience may have many objective attendees, but they also have a great many people that are Apple enthusiasts. This skews perceptions about the quality, or merit of what is being presented. I also agree that Microsoft should always take the high road and never stoop to silliness of any kind. It brings them down to a level that isn't appropriate for them.
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#8 By
7390 (24.188.166.243)
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1/18/2007 3:30:23 PM
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#7, so to summarize
mac world = fan boys
CES = IT people looking for pratical solutions
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#9 By
23275 (68.17.42.38)
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1/18/2007 4:01:32 PM
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#8, Probably more accurately stated as,
MACWorld = Apple/MAC enthusiasts and fewer related industry pundits
CES = much more diverse mix of electronics industry pundits, analysts and general enthusiasts
Which resluts in loud and enthusiastic applause from Apple folk and much less of a public reaction at CES. It's just a different crowd and why we will not likely see the same kind of presentation from Steve Jobs at a CES as he gives at a MACWorld event - provided he were to actually give one of the key notes at a CES.
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#10 By
1913 (144.5.140.22)
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1/18/2007 4:16:36 PM
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I must admit that I got into the hype itself as I was blown away by the touch screen feature of the iPhone, but eventually, I realized that there is a drawback in the design.
If the screen breaks, how would you be able to make a call. There's no external button to press to initiate a voice command or tag to at least call someone in your contact list.
However these are just speculation through experience with a Pocket PC Phone Edition and Smartphone, as we still don't know much about the iPhone screen itself.
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#11 By
7754 (216.160.8.41)
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1/18/2007 4:23:38 PM
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#7: yes, it is cool in a way that they use their own people--and lots of them--to demo products. The downside is that they often aren't very good at presenting, and the job often isn't done very well. To me, it's like using a screwdriver when you need a hammer. Considering the audience, I think there are times where it is appropriate (smaller, industry-specific audiences in non-broadcast sessions, for example), and there are times when it is not. I think CES would qualify as one where it is not. Put someone up there that is used to presenting, feels comfortable, doesn't rush, remembers why they're there, captures people's attention, and knocks the thing out of the park.
Regarding the shot at Apple during the Vista demo, in their defense, it wasn't a huge deal (in fact, you get the impression that the presenter was debating whether he was really going to say anything or not, right up until he said it). It was said in passing more or less as a joke (and you could hear people laugh), and it wasn't an embarrassing 15-minute exhibition/whine-fest like at the previous Jobs keynote. Still, I agree with you, they should always take the high road. After all, we don't want them to become like Apple just to poke fun at them! :P
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#12 By
2960 (24.254.95.224)
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1/19/2007 7:43:15 AM
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#3,
Nah, that would be reality in some cases and we just can't have that :)
TL
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#13 By
8556 (12.207.97.148)
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1/19/2007 2:48:51 PM
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Remember kids that the phone isn't even approved for use yet.
This phone has some truly innovative features. I would love to be able to skip the least important messages to immediately get to the ones that require attention.
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