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  Firefox 2.0 hits FTP earlier than expected
Time: 11:11 EST/16:11 GMT | News Source: Ars Technica | Posted By: Jonathan Tigner

Firefox 2.0 will be officially released tomorrow, but we have spotted what looks to be the official release in a newly-created directory on the Mozilla Foundation's FTP servers. This comes one week from the release of Firefox 2.0's third release candidate. The latest version of Mozilla's open source browser offers aesthetic enhancements, usability improvements, and an assortment of useful new features, including support for built-in spell-checking, phishing protection, Javascript 1.7, and session persistence. Although the new features incorporated into the upcoming release are fewer and less impressive than in previous releases, Firefox 2.0 is a solid incremental improvement over the 1.5.x series.

Hot on the heels of Microsoft's Internet Explorer 7 release, Firefox 2.0 ensures that the increasingly popular open source browser can remain competitive when compared with its newly enhanced rival. We reviewed a Firefox 2.0 release candidate earlier this month, and pointed out that renewed competition has promoted mutual innovation and a better Internet experience for all users, regardless of their browser choice.

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#1 By 1401 (69.27.196.125) at 10/23/2006 1:36:19 PM
wow - and it didn't even take them 5 years to go from 1.0 to 2.0 like it did for IE to go from 6.0 to 7.0!
Amazing!

#2 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 10/23/2006 1:50:22 PM
We reviewed a Firefox 2.0 release candidate earlier this month, and pointed out that renewed competition has promoted mutual innovation and a better Internet experience for all users, regardless of their browser choice.

What a cool sentence. This is the best part of this release and this thread. It shows that each camp is working to deliver what users have stated and demonstrated is useful to them.

I hope Microsoft follows with regular "feature" releases and does not rely entirely on third parties via www.ieaddons.com to provide well integrated add-ons for IE 7.

#3 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 10/23/2006 1:50:27 PM
URGENT: Unpatched flaw in Destiny...

It has been discovered that the human race may be extinct in 5 million years. Microsoft is reportedly working on a fix, but gave no estimated release date.

#4 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 10/23/2006 1:52:54 PM
#4, LOLOLOL - no kidding. Hey, did you ever get IE 7 on your box? Last we read, it had caused a lot of trouble. Have you tried any of the FF RC's? The interface has been updated to be more Vista'esque, if you will...

This post was edited by lketchum on Monday, October 23, 2006 at 13:53.

#5 By 1401 (69.27.196.125) at 10/23/2006 2:16:05 PM
#3 - How can IE7 be the result of what users find useful? IE7 is the exact opposite of what I want out of IE7.

#6 By 13030 (198.22.121.110) at 10/23/2006 2:25:00 PM
#3: I hope Microsoft follows with regular "feature" releases...

They will... as long as they perceive a threat.

#7 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 10/23/2006 2:25:14 PM
"wow - and it didn't even take them 5 years to go from 1.0 to 2.0 like it did for IE to go from 6.0 to 7.0!"

Mozilla 1.0 to Mozilla (Firefox) 2.0 is 4.4 years. Same codebase.

http://www.mozillazine.org/articles/article2278.html

This post was edited by NotParker on Monday, October 23, 2006 at 14:26.

#8 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 10/23/2006 2:30:47 PM
Considering the hundreds of million the Firefox team has pulled in by selling out to Google, the "feature list" for 2.0 is very, very poor and stolen from Maxthon.

#9 By 1401 (69.27.196.125) at 10/23/2006 2:44:49 PM
thanks for backing up my point NotParker - Like I said, less than 5 years! :-),

#10 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 10/23/2006 2:46:16 PM
#6, This one is a no-brainer.... the answer is very clear to me: by continuing support for [and more safely so], the Component Object Model (COM) client server technologies used by so many for so long and by also strongly supporting web and web applications developers with support for techniques used today [for starters]. Next, by improving security for XP users by providing Vista era code in a way that works for XP's practical model [naive users running as admins] - shelling IE 7. Next, they added a native RSS engine that renders feeds extremely well - without a cumbersome or resource intensive "extension" or add-on. One could go on, but the above were all based upon customer feedback.

Playing pong between the favorites center and the home button is weird at first [until muscle memory kicks in after a week or so of regular use], but I get their point about wanting to preserve the interface's minimalist footprint - which makes better sense when one observes the command bar cluster being close to the search box.

So, seeing how most use the web - it begins to make more sense - I'm either finding stuff I don't yet have, or going to stuff I already do have.

This post was edited by lketchum on Monday, October 23, 2006 at 14:47.

#11 By 3 (62.253.128.15) at 10/23/2006 3:14:42 PM
I guess im one of the few who likes both IE7 and Firefox 2.0. Have to admit though from an end users view I praise Firefox for pushing Microsoft to actually bother improving IE, even if it is something they should have done yearly.

I'm disappointed with Firefox 2 though, not for any reason other than the first version was so good the 2nd one doesn't have enough new features.

Lets just hope it doesn't take another better browser like Firefox to force microsoft into realising their browser was becoming very dated.

#12 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 10/23/2006 3:19:41 PM
IK,

Well, my big issue with it right now is Yahoo Music Engine. After installing, YME would hang at the "Starting Up" phase of the splash screen, and then it would shut down abruptly.

Unfortunately the same thing still happens now that I've uninstalled IE7 and even did a system restore (I set a restore point before installing).

I'm working with Yahoo Tech Support on that now.

Not sure I can get past the interface, even if they do fix this issue.

Also reading about issues concerning Citrix ICA Web Client, Java (currently not compatible) and other corporate type stuff that could be of issue. When it hits Windows Update, I'll have 19000 people having access to it, and we're evaluating the potential ramifications of that this week.

TL

#13 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 10/23/2006 3:34:42 PM
#8: Actually, just under 2 years from Firefox 1.0 to Firefox 2.0

http://www.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-11-09.html

The Mozilla 1.0 browser was the first public release of the newly open sourced Netscape browser. Firefox is the restarted browser with a new code base, in an attempt to move away from some of the hard to work with code inherited from Netscape.

#14 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 10/23/2006 3:55:52 PM
IK wrote:

"until muscle memory kicks in "

Someone's a Guitar Player. Only people I know that use the term "Muscle Memory".

:)

TL

#15 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 10/23/2006 4:02:56 PM
"Firefox is the restarted browser with a new code base"

I've downloaded and looked at the Firefox code. There is code in it back to 1998. It isn't very new at all.

Read this and tell me you think Firefox is a new code base:

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadmap/

#16 By 13030 (198.22.121.110) at 10/23/2006 4:48:16 PM
#16: I've downloaded and looked at the Firefox code. There is code in it back to 1998. It isn't very new at all.

lol.

From the weblog: Since then, much of the code base has been revised in some way, but always incrementally. No "big bangs."

Nothing unusual there. You won't rewrite a core piece of code if you don't have to. In the same way, once a piece of code has been proven, there is no need to toss it aside and rewrite it. Efficient developers generally don't like to "reinvent the wheel".

Using your logic, a current piece of software using a sort routine from Knuth's 1973 The Art of Computer Programming, Volume 3 would be over 30 years in development!

(Also, the challenge still stands.)

#17 By 32132 (142.32.208.231) at 10/23/2006 5:53:42 PM
#17 Hey, it wasn't me who claimed it was a "new code base".

"much of the code base has been revised in some way ..."

much <> all
revised in some way <> substantial changes

As someone posted once:

"Oh, and to the people stating that Firefox wasn't built on top of Netscape: you're wrong. See, Firefox is what is known as "open source" meaning that we can look at the source and determine that it is, indeed, built on top of Netscape 4.

Go look for the "NSPR" within the source code. It's the core code that Netscape was written on top of - the Netscape Portable Runtime.

Also notice how EVERY SINGLE interface and function within the code starts with "ns" (for Netscape) - kinda weird for a project called "Mozilla"...

They may have rewritten the renderer from scratch (and disgraced the world with XUL in the process), but there's quite a lot of old Netscape code in Firefox for a browser that was "rewritten from scratch.""

#18 By 1401 (65.255.137.20) at 10/23/2006 5:54:52 PM
AWBrian plays the skin flute and I've heard him use the term 'muscle memory' often as well...

#19 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 10/23/2006 6:04:40 PM
#15, Piano - that's where it comes from.

#19, Yikes - and just before supper, too - thanks, Chris - now I'll have to pass...

TL, did the techs at Yahoo get you fixed up? One thing you might try is to view objects in Interent Options and remove any control Yahoo passed to you - then go back to the YME site and download new controls. This often solves the kinds of problems you may have had.

#20 By 1401 (65.255.137.20) at 10/23/2006 8:14:25 PM
I hear he's a pretty good flute player too...

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#21, there goes dessert...

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