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Vista won't show fancy side to pirates | |
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| Time: 09:37 EST/14:37 GMT | News Source: ActiveWin.com | Posted By: John Quigley | ||
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Windows Vista plans to offer you spiffy new graphics, as long as you're not a pirate. With the new operating system, Microsoft is offering plenty of new graphics tricks, including translucent windows, animated flips between open programs and "live icons" that show a graphical representation of the file in question. | ||
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| #1 By 5912 (62.58.60.27) at 4/13/2006 9:47:55 AM |
| Why won't they just lock the complete OS if the check fails? |
| #2 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 4/13/2006 10:21:35 AM |
| Yawn. It will be cracked before the OS hits the streets just like all their other schemes (WPA, WGA). |
| #3 By 26496 (64.119.242.6) at 4/13/2006 12:03:49 PM |
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I still don't understand why they just don't make the OS a Chip that you simply plug into the motherboard and it's key is encrypted to the chip. This way also the boot would be in seconds instead of minutes and they could have it so the only way it could be updated is with a Flash and this would also keep pirates from cracking it and would keep virus and other items from affecting the OS period.
Well it's wishful thinking and probably a bit ahead of it's time. Just think plug the chip in like a CPU and there is your OS - no more hour long installs or repairs. They could also do what they wanted to do orginally with Vista by leaving all apps outside of the Kernel etc. You could use a chip like a Compact Flash drive from Seagate which is at 8 Gig currently (Just as an example) and it's solid state and it wouldn't crash like that of a hard drive if at all. Until full solid state becomes the norm all apps etc. would be installed on a hard drive as normal. This post was edited by Cellar Dweller on Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 12:10. |
| #4 By 24027 (69.62.150.234) at 4/13/2006 1:22:49 PM |
| #3 This would not work in the corporate industry from a cost and administrative perspective. |
| #5 By 931 (24.99.3.86) at 4/13/2006 1:43:38 PM |
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Who cares.. nobody serious wants to use aero anyway...
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| #6 By 23603 (204.101.154.2) at 4/13/2006 2:27:27 PM |
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#5)
Why do you say that? Have you actually took a look at Aero? |
| #7 By 21203 (208.252.96.220) at 4/13/2006 2:32:50 PM |
| #5 reminds me of those guys who said "noone serious wants to use a UI anyways. Command line is the way to go." |
| #8 By 3653 (63.162.177.143) at 4/13/2006 4:38:58 PM |
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Latch - "Yawn. It will be cracked before the OS hits the streets"
the goal is to stop casual pirates... the people that cant easily be targeted via legal means. latch, i'll be at the corner of 4th and main at 7pm. You gonna be there? Mister is gonna referee. |
| #9 By 931 (24.99.3.86) at 4/14/2006 6:14:17 AM |
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Sure I have.. it's really cool..
However I fail to see beyond "coolness" how it's going to help me get my work done faster or more effeciently. I already have to spend 5 minutes on every machine I use disabling all the eye candy crap in xp and win2k3. Btw as for the command line don't you find it interesting that more and more microsoft is porting functions back to commandline tools, not that they are removing them from the ui or anything, why do you think that is? Dont get me wrong I prefer the gui over the commandline (for most things), and the win95 shell interface was an improvement over win3.1 2 be sure. But for the life of me I dont really see the business or user need for most of aero... beyond the ... " oh look at all the cool shit we can make it do".. oh btw you need a 256mb monster video card to run it... Sorry I'm just not a fan of aero or really this OS in general, only thing I'm looking forward too is the new tcpip stack, iis7, and driver stacks, deployment\setup changes, and other under the hood type changes which aren't really for the consumer anyway. |
| #10 By 12071 (203.158.34.64) at 4/14/2006 8:48:27 AM |
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#3 "they could have it so the only way it could be updated is with a Flash and this would also keep pirates from cracking it "
How does that prevent it from being cracked? It all depends on what you allow to be flashed. Of course you're right if we're talking about a DRM chip that plugs into a DRM motherboard and perhaps things will end up this way one day. But don't fool yourself, it's not because of those "nasty pirates" - it'll be to lock you in. #6 Surely the glass effect etc are nothing but sugar on top? That's not to say that customers don't want it, but it doesn't fundamentally change the way you're going to use the OS. To put into gaming terms, no amount of polygons and shaders is going to improve the gameplay! #8 "the goal is to stop casual pirates" I've been curious about this for a while now since it always seems to come up - can you explain the definition of a "casual pirate"? I used to think this referred to people who would borrow a cd of their mate etc but it can't refer to those sorts of people as they will still get around this protection scheme. Their mates tend to have cracked cd's (as they either got them from someone else or their children/children's friends got it for them) and if they don't they tend to ask some IT friend of theirs after installing it to fix this "activation message" they keep seeing. |
| #11 By 3653 (63.162.177.143) at 4/14/2006 1:07:01 PM |
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Its not "casual" to have a friend with a cracked cd. That belongs in the netherworld between "casual" and the guy who burns 1000 copies of the cracked cd for resell.
"Casual" refers to the guy that doesn't make his money via computing. He might have a pc in the house, used for something specific like email. When he sees some visual flair or other eye-catching feature over time, he might be interested in upgrading that pc. And when he does, he might use his friends winXP disk, but he'll never imagine that there is an EASY way to steal the new OS. And the simple winxp activation routine will prompt him to either buy a copy of the new OS or just live with what he already has. |
| #12 By 12071 (203.158.34.64) at 4/14/2006 9:33:22 PM |
| #11 This guy doesn't have any children? Or are his children too young to be interested in computers? I ask because there aren't a lot of kids that are not at least aware of cracked Windows XP cd's. |
| #13 By 39852 (204.101.172.146) at 4/16/2006 11:03:52 AM |
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If they can detect that the OS is pirated, why even allow it to boot? When Windows XP isn't activated after a certain number of days, you can't log in without activating it. The same could be possible, but it seems that with Vista they're actually allowing you to use the OS more than Windows XP does. The person who is pirating Windows XP may have an easier time using a pirated version of Vista, since the only crippled part is a GUI theme (and even with the theme-less GUI, Vista would end up looking better and have more capabilities than XP, or exactly as much as Vista Home Basic!). It seems like there would be a bigger downside for pirates for sticking with XP, and I don't think this is what MS actually wants or is trying to get across. It will probably be clearer when the release is near however, since there is still development time and things could change, but does anyone care to guess? Naturally Windows Update still won't work with a pirated version of Vista right? This post was edited by Mister on Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 11:10. |
| #14 By 12071 (203.158.34.64) at 4/16/2006 8:50:52 PM |
| #13 Because deep down everyone at Microsoft knows that it's better for a user to be using a pirated copy of Windows than a copy of another OS! That's why they won't disable the whole OS and instead are focusing on their UI instead. |
| #15 By 26496 (64.119.242.6) at 4/19/2006 6:19:36 AM |
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#4 Why wouldn't it? All corp PC's come with a OS on it from the OEM, sure most re-image these with their own items but this would cause companies to buck up automatically every so many years putting millions more in Microsofts pockets... LOL. Isn't that the goal here? (Just kidding)... My key here was to keep from having to constantly re-image PC because the OS could not really be touched and you'd do away with BSOD and other issues. You pay for Hard Drives all the time when they fail which where I work is very frequently. Solid state and keeping virus's and adware etc. from attacking the OS on a chip would eliminate all this, your restore point would always be back to day one and all additions would be on the hard drive not part of the chip or also in the future flash memory or solid state also. The other factor is the license key would not be able to be gotten because it would be encrypted as part of the chip and married to it as such. Sure the chip could move from machine to machine but only giving you the basic OS. Well I know where I'm going with this and it may be too soon but I'm sure this is where it will be headed in the near future. Maybe 2012, isn't that when Nastrodomous said the world would change as we know it and isn't that also the same date mentioned in the bible and also when the Mayan Calendar ends??? Only time will tell I guess we'll have to wait and see.
#10 Yeah you are right and it really doesn't matter what is used everything can and will be cracked somehow no matter how tight or secure you think it may be. I was kind of being off topic because I believe they need to do away with hard drives and wish they'd go to solid state for everything. But now back to the subject. Now as far as Piracy is concerned they aren't usually worried about the average Joe. They want to crack down on those who are selling cracked or copied software, that is the true Pirate. Thus the reason Big Bill had the President of China at his house this week or was it Japan? Well I'm sure you've all read the tech sites. Someone that has a CD with a VLK that they got on the internet to use for personal use I don't think is what the term Piracy is about - sure we all know it falls into the same catagory. It's more toward countries like Japan and China etc. that sell millions of burned copies with VLK and are making a profit. Most companies don't care about the few guys here or there that have a single copy of a software for their own personal use, sure with millions doing this it does add up, but no money is exchanged. So I don't think they are trying to stop that so called Casual Pirate, they want the big fish not the guppies. When have you really ever heard of a company suing Joe Schmo over a single copy of a software? (I'm leaving the record industry out of this). You only hear of large corporations or countries being sued because this is where the money is made not from some poor bastard that couldn't afford anything more than an 800 dollar Dell and can't afford other software to put on it. This post was edited by Cellar Dweller on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:00. |
| #16 By 26496 (64.119.242.6) at 4/19/2006 7:00:48 AM |
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Personally I think that if you make a great software or OS for that matter people will pay for it. If you do have an illegal copy of it as an average Joe most of the time they'll splurge and buy the product after using the pirated copy - sort of try before you buy. If you also make your OS or Software right the first time you should need to patch it or constantly update it, sure to add a feature here or there isn't bad but bugs and the like come on program it right the first time...
I think it's only good for business (Casual Pirate - not making a profit or selling of illegal software etc.), because most users don't want to have to deal with constant cracking and the other crap that comes with trying to have an illegal copy of something. Those damn pop ups, trojans, viri, you name it, is it really worth all that??? LOL... Anyway to put it all into perspective the key word is Sell, Money making from someone elses work etc. Couldn't fit it all in one post and I was on a roll - LOL... Bored at work and the fingers just went nuts. This post was edited by Cellar Dweller on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:03. |
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