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| Time: 22:17 EST/03:17 GMT | News Source: News.com | Posted By: Andre Da Costa | ||
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SAN FRANCISCO--Hoping your Intel Mac will easily run Windows Vista? Don't bet on it, one Apple Computer engineer said Thursday. One of the big obstacles is that although both the Macintosh OS and Windows now use Intel chips, the two operating systems have different ways of booting up. Mac fans have held out considerable hope that the next version of Windows would be easier to load on Macs than Windows XP, because like Mac OS X, Vista will use Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) to aid the boot process. Older versions of Windows have used Basic Input Output System (BIOS). However, Apple Senior Software Architect Cameron Esfahani said that his understanding is that only 64-bit versions of Vista will support EFI. To this point, all of the Intel Macs have used 32-bit chips. | ||
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| #1 By 13997 (69.109.9.15) at 3/9/2006 11:31:13 PM |
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OK, why is it even people in the tech industry DON'T get it...
Vista does have more inherent support for (EFI), but that means nothing... Everyone thinks Windows, includingXP needs the rigid old BIOS incarnations to operate, and this is simply NOT true. There are have been several WindowsXP based PCs that are (EFI) and not (BIOS) systems. Do we need to keep pointing this out to everyone? The initial boot sequence in WindowsXP and its relation to the BIOS is virtually non-existent anyway, as WindowsXP replaces the functions of the BIOS after the boot loader anyway. The BIOS is just for booting at this point or device initialization, and XP can do the device initialization just fine without any BIOS. All XP or Vista needs is a boot loader that supports EFI, and they exist, manufacturers that have went with EFI simply put modified instructions for the XP boot loader in firmware on these devices. I even have a freaking laptop that is EFI and has no BIOS, and it boots WindowsXP just fine, and it even boots the x86 32bit version of Vista just fine. The trick here is the Mac systems won't ship with this added XP EFI loader in their firmware, but all it will take is a geek to make one, flash, and it runs XP just fine. The next question we should all have, why in the heck are people even caring about running XP or Vista on a Intel Mac? The initial Intel Macs are already technologically behind the current market trend of Windows PCs, and even if Apple and Intel put out a monster, do you think Intel will really make it exclusive to Apple? We will see Intel type Mac PCs with the XP boot loader modification in the firmware on the EFI systems everywhere before long, Intel and the other mainboard Manufacturers have no choice, especially Intel, as AMD is already starting to shove them out of markets they didn't think would ever happen. My last question is, why is it Apple was trying to con the world just a couple of years ago that they were the first 64bit computers, and to this day OSX is still not 64bit, and now all their Intel ventures are not even 64bit, with no apparent direction for a 64bit version of OSX? Windows users are already using and increasing using 64bit systems (XP and Vista), and when the market moves to where 8Gb and 16Gb of shipping RAM in a desktop system is common, Apple will again be like they were in the early 90s. They had not only a 32 68xxx processor (internally), but also the PowerPC architecture, and their OS used almost none of the advanced features of these CPUs, it wasn't until 2000 that they got real memory management and pre-emptive multi-tasking even. Sad, and I see Apple making the same mistake again. So why even lead us down the 64bit marketing path of a couple years ago, if they have no intention of ever using it. The 64bit G5 Macs now are not even running at full potential. Sadly, the only consumer level mainstream OS running on the G5 architecture that is 64bits, is a base version of NT (WindowsXP) on the XBox 360. The headline could read, "You want to use all 64bits of a PowerPC, then buy an XBox 360." I'm not an Apple hater, I just wish they would start leading, instead of catching up, again and again. I want to see the Mac of the 80s where we saw innovation not only from Apple, but inspiration from Apple for other to innovate. (Heck if it wasn't for the Mac, and Apple's innovation, we wouldn't have technologies we take for granted that were developed by Microsoft in Word for the Mac in the 80s. How is that for crazy...) |
| #2 By 9549 (12.150.6.130) at 3/10/2006 8:50:31 AM |
| I thought everyone loved their Macs and detested MS and Windows. So why is everyone so eager to bust open the Mac Intels and put on XP or Vista ? These OS's are the evil enemy empire aren't they? |
| #3 By 22962 (12.223.99.215) at 3/11/2006 2:47:07 AM |
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Not everyone, cto. Some people like Mac. Some people like Windows. Some people like Linux. If you like Mac that works perfectly for you, then stay with it and no need to tell people about this like "Windows sucks.. Mac rules!" I don't care what rules or sucks. Keep those stuff to yourself.
I have all versions of Windows that I started using my computer in late 80's. Including some linux dists. I don't have Mac yet. I like it when I saw it at the store. I might get a mac someday unless I change mind to get something else for example, a new LCD TV. Who knows. |
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