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21st Century Tech Strategy War: Apple vs. Microsoft | |
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| Time: 13:47 EST/18:47 GMT | News Source: NewsFactor | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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Who will rule the multimedia universe? Will it be Microsoft's Bill Gates with his .NET strategy to turn the PC into the nerve center of every home, with tendrils reaching out to encompass everything from music to Web connections to digital video? Or will it be Apple's Steve Jobs who intends for the Mac to serve as the digital hub for a variety of new and complicated consumer digital devices like cameras, scanners and MP3 players, to name but a few. Many believe the answer to that question will determine -- at least for the first part of the 21st century -- how our high-tech future will look, how it will feel, and how much it will cost. | ||
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| #1 By 61 (65.32.169.133) at 1/10/2002 7:54:50 PM |
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#6, and you want to know why some of those apps are supposedly better (not all of them that you stated are better, QT, for instance, is total crap)?
Because if MS starts bundling in killer apps like Apple does, then MS will be in trial once again, MS is kinda blocked from adding sate-of-the-art features into their OS. You don't seem to understand what .NET is at all, or the idea of software as a service.... In .NET, you don't give MS all your personal info or anything of the sort, .NET is a platform for web services, and is the future of REAL programming. Software as a service is a MUCH better concept because you aren't paying one big lump sum for something you won't use forever. With a subscription service (I'm sure that Windows won't be monthly, probably closer to bi-monthly, or even yearly). In other words, you are paying for it just for the time period that you wanted it, and if an update to the applications (or Windows itself) comes out during your subscription, then you automatically can get the new version, w/ no extra cost. In reality, MS and Apple have the same exact strategy, except Apple wants the Mac to be the digital hub, and MS wants the PC to be the digital hub... and to be honest, MS's approach to that goal is FAR FAR FAR more advanced than Apple's. Finally, there was no big security breach in XP when it first came out, it wasn't nearly as big as it was made out to be (all MS security issues get totally overblown these days). This post was edited by CPUGuy on Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 19:56. |
| #2 By 3339 (206.216.3.134) at 1/10/2002 8:29:03 PM |
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CPUGuy, Gates keeps saying the strategy is to make the PC the digital hub, but with Stinger, Pocket PC, probably a few other flavors of CE, Mira, Tablet PC, FreeStyle, Web TV, XBox, personal Home Servers, etc. I don't see a very clear and intelligable strategy (I mean personally I think I know what the strategy is, but it isn't cohesive with what is being said, built, or planned).
It sounds to me like the cellphone, PDA, remote control, TV, PC, notebook, tablet will all be confused bits and pieces of one another with overly accessable connections between the devices and applications with no consistent interfaces on a single device nevermind between devices. This is far different then the ACTUAL "digital hub" strategy. |
| #3 By 61 (65.32.169.133) at 1/10/2002 8:39:58 PM |
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Sodajerk:
All this stuff is meant to be a sort of n-teir architecture, or even like a thin client in some cases. All your stuff is stored on your PC, and then all these gadgets have a wiereless connection to the PC. And btw, you shouldn't confuse separate products with the digital hub idea. Things like stinger isn't part of that idea, stinger is simply a smart phone, and the TabletPC is simply notebook PC that is in the same type of form factor as a PDA (which is very nice, in my opinion). |
| #4 By 2459 (66.25.124.8) at 1/10/2002 10:21:11 PM |
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#6
$1799 may be a good price (although I could do better building my own system), but what happens when you need to upgrade? Eventually you will have to spend another $1000, at least, to upgrade to the next best thing. The PC will always be more economical due to its modularity. Why buy a whole new computer when you can have the equivalent by replacing a couple of parts? Sure, the average consumer for which the iMac is targeted probably has no idea of the reusability of their system, but at least when they go to buy a new computer, they will have a choice of multiple vendors. And if they go to a reputable local or web-based system builder instead of the Major OEMs, they may get a better deal, and none of the platform-ruining, subpar software (AOL, etc) nomally included with major OEM computers. With rebates and specials, I have seen some pretty good major OEM deals however. As for quality, are you denying Apple has ever had quality problems? For starters, Apple's systems have been becomming more and more like PCs since the PowerPC platform was introduced. The majority of the system is based on PC technology (AGP, PCI, USB, IDE, memory standards) yet their system architectures are frequently and currently behind PCs. And what about the CD drive problems that plagued the first iMacs, and the use of laptop-style drives to cut costs? The odor that came from the plastic used for the G4 towers, dead pixels in iMac displays -- the cracks and pencil marks in the cubes, and MacOS X which was sold retail and shipped on new computers while clearly in an unfinished state (and in a dual-boot configuration). Lack of DVD support and other features in the initial shipping version of the OS (as well as slow performance), and charging current OS X owners for the 10.1 update. I didn't really see a problem with the $20 for the update, but quite a few Mac users did. I don't even care to go into the problems the old OS architecure had. You also say that OS X is good because it was written from scratch using a Unix core. NT was written from scratch based upon a more modern kernel. And owning a Mac doesn't exempt you from .Net (and that's not a bad thing). Unix and MacOS are target platforms. Linux will also have a CLI implementation (Not directly from MS, but they apparently have no problem with it as info is posted on MSDN). And if you read any valid data concerning Passport and .Net, you would know that security and privacy are top priorities for MS. All access is Administrator/user controlled and opt-in. Sorry everyone for the long post. But the bottom line is that Macs have quality problems just like PCs. I like Macs, but it's a fact that problems exist on the platform, and to me it is worse when Macs have problems because one would think that Apple could do better since they control a large part of both the hardware and the software, and only have to support a few different configurations versus the millions of different configurations the PC industry has to worry about. This post was edited by n4cer on Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 22:38. |
| #5 By 3653 (24.8.9.111) at 1/10/2002 10:39:16 PM |
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I used to live and breath Macintosh. I hated Bill Gates and his company, not because of anything Microsoft did... but because it was a prerequisite to using a Mac. Then one day, in a moment of clarity, I asked myself... "Why do I care about Apple?". The ONLY reasonable answer I could come up with was "Because its cool to rally around an underdog". Then and there, I came to my senses. The veil was lifted and I saw the light. Why did I defend Steve Jobs and his company? Why should I, because what had he done for me? Not a damn thing. For years, Apple had been charging me $3000+ for a computer that had 10% of the software available on a pc.
And the rest is history. Apple is a niche player, and we only see them because our news organizations rely on them as a human interest story. |
| #6 By 442 (24.165.238.45) at 1/11/2002 2:03:55 AM |
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iMovie and Premiere are not even developed for the same type of person! iMovie is a CONSUMER LEVEL APPLICATION! Premiere is designed for PROFESSIONALS! Do you think "mom" would have a fun and easy time editing a digital video in Premire?!? It costs several HUNDRED dollars, does NOT come bundled with the computer, and has a PRO LEVEL INTERFACE!!! If you're going to compare things at least try to sound intelligent.
You CANNOT get what Apple offers in the new iMacs at a lower price/performance level in a PC. The integration is not there and it never will be. For those of you that are complaining about not being able to upgrade the iMac...you're right....you can't. It's not designed to be upgraded internally. The average consumer purchases add ons like scanners, printers, MP3 players, and so on. They do not go out and buy the latest video, graphics, or whatever card. For the people who want to do that, they know to buy a tower so they can upgrade as much as they like. It's not that hard to understand so try to stay with us...I know it's hard keep up when your head is in Microsoft's ass :-) This post was edited by jaredbkt on Friday, January 11, 2002 at 02:04. |
| #7 By 116 (129.116.86.41) at 1/11/2002 10:50:25 AM |
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What I don't get is why on Earth would Mac people be reading a Windows News site?
Don't you have your stupid little Mac website to go to? |
| #8 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 1/11/2002 12:02:53 PM |
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Ok, listen. I really don't care. I have never, and will never buy a product from Apple Computer.
I cannot think of any reason why someone would recommend a Macintosh over a PC today. The reasons thus far brought up in this thread were only applicable 4-5 years ago. |
| #9 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 1/13/2002 2:56:20 AM |
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#27 - It's interesting that you claim to know more about .Net than anybody else and yet you make several statements which clearly show you know nothing about .Net.
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