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Ballmer: Microsoft on Cusp of Year of Innovations | |
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Over the coming year Microsoft Corp. will release more innovations into the marketplace than it ever has before, CEO Steve Ballmer said Wednesday. Addressing a gathering of government contractors in Washington, D.C., Ballmer said that the Redmond, Wash., company will release a host of new offerings over the next 12 months, including an accounting product for very small businesses. | ||
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| #1 By 8556 (12.217.111.92) at 12/8/2005 8:25:46 AM |
| Ballmer in the reported speech has continued, and expanded upon, the years-long Microsoft trend of redefining the word "innovation". It now appears to mean "meeting a requirement" along with the older Microsoft definition "copy other company's product features that people really like". I have no issue with Ballmer's personal pride or with the tremendous success Microsoft has enjoyed. I am tired of hearing about "innovation" from MS. Writing your own code to develop software for a new concept is innovation, not copying features from other products, or releasing software as a service. |
| #2 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 12/8/2005 8:27:38 AM |
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#1: I couldn't have said it better myself. It's the Big Lie in action. If you say something often enough, no matter how wrong, eventually people start to believe it. Now they're starting the same thing with the word 'open'.
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| #3 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 12/8/2005 9:35:48 AM |
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There are two common meanings to Innovation:
1. origination: the act or process of inventing or introducing something new 2. new idea or method: a new invention or way of doing something Microsoft succeeds on both counts. Latch, of course, usually has his head up his *ass so he wouldn't notice innovation if it bit him on it. |
| #4 By 3746 (216.16.225.210) at 12/8/2005 11:06:13 AM |
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I love people who post up BS and probably have never had an innovative idea in their entire lives. If you did you would know that all knowledge is built on what comes before it. So what if Microsoft has taken what others have done and expanded on it? That is the nature of new things. If i said that Linux was just a copy of UNIX with some new bells and whistles wouldn't that be the case? Those damn open source guys and their lack of innovation - just sitting around copying other ideas and expanding upon them.
Oh the Big lie - come on it is called markerting every company does it. What is Ballmer suppose to do walk up there and talk about all the crap products they are putting out. Don't let your hatred for MS blind you to the fact that every company does that. Do you see the CEO of Ford getting up on stage and going "yeah well we make crap cars compared to the Japanese so maybe you should buy theirs." |
| #5 By 1124 (165.170.128.65) at 12/8/2005 12:56:57 PM |
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well said(or written) Kaikara.
Anything MS does is bad. If Apple fails to develop their own OS then take some old OS and add some improvements( UI +), it is the best(OS) in the world. |
| #6 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 12/8/2005 1:47:59 PM |
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#4: The fact that I don't come up with innovative ideas does not prevent me from calling BS on those that say they do, but don't. This might be news to you, but there is no causal relationship between the two concepts. I don't have to be an NBA superstar to recognize that Michael Jordan was the greatest NBA player to ever live. I don't need to be a internationally acclaimed musician to know that Britney Spears sucks. The difference is that every 3rd word out of MS' mouth is 'innovation', and it's just not true. Open source people don't overuse the word to try and create the perception of something that isn't. And no, I don't see every other company out there continuously spouting about innovation, innovation, innovation like MS does. That's what makes them a target of ridicule. Everyone and their dog knows that MS does not innovate very much at all anymore. They buy other companies that innovate or they outright steal from them. The more they talk about it, the stupider they look.
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| #7 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 12/8/2005 1:55:39 PM |
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Latch/all, my....people use the word "lie" so casually these days. It's sad and it's hurtful and thankfully, men like Ballmer allow their work to speak for them. I've met him and one would be hard pressed to find a nicer or more devoted and honest man. The word "lie" is about the last word that would come to my mind in regard to Mr. Ballmer.
"Innovation" and claims to it? Microsoft has perhaps more right to th euse of that word than any corporation in history. The idea that all people could benefit from the use of a personal computer and making that possible to do about anything they could imagine was pretty innovative - Microsoft did that. Building a truly inclusive and diverse global corporation that ignores nationality, race, religion, sex, class and language in favor of ideas and hard work is not just innovative, its noble - Microsoft did and does that each day. Taking simple ideas - however wild, and transforming them into realities that are not only usful, but integrated with a powerful platform of tools and host servers is equally "innovative" - Microsoft did and does that, too. The list is nearly endless and they and their leadership is innovative in every sense of the meaning of that word and that is no lie. |
| #8 By 3339 (64.160.58.150) at 12/8/2005 1:59:43 PM |
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"Building a truly inclusive and diverse global corporation that ignores nationality, race, religion, sex, class and language in favor of ideas and hard work is not just innovative, its noble - Microsoft did and does that each day."
Sh1t, I thought that was a legally required "accomplishment", but, I guess, now, in the mind of softies, it's innovative and noble. Whatever. |
| #9 By 3746 (216.16.225.210) at 12/8/2005 2:10:24 PM |
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You are still no addressing the point i made. All intellectual advances are made on the foundations built by others. Linux wouldn't exist without UNIX. Einstein wouldn't have been anywhere without Newton. To say that MS has never innovated is false. Sure they have bought other companies for their products to use them in their own but so has Google and most other large companies. Personally, I think this is very smart - if someone out there has something that is better then what you have then you aquire it to make your own products better. I don't see you freaking out at Apple for ripping off a whole chunk of UNIX as the basis of OS X. Do you think Apple was innovative or just stealing their ideas from somewhere else? Sure the marketing BS can get annoying after awhile but every single company does that. But as a MS hater you just can't see past that. You think they are evil and are the only ones that have a marketing dept that spins the information to show MS in the best light. Do you hear the shite that comes out of Jobs mouth or any other CEO when they are touting thier company or products. I mean after Jobs has been onstage you need a front loader to clean up all the BS. But see that is the point of being in business. When i go see a prospective client I don't tell them i do shite work - i tell them i am fantastic, spectacular and all of that. A smart person would be able to filter the BS from the truth and not get too upset about it. |
| #10 By 116 (24.173.215.234) at 12/8/2005 2:57:58 PM |
| Ah the return of the jerk. Welcome back! I though you had gone off to hippy paradise drinking the open source koolade and what not. Wonder what your chief protagonist is up to... |
| #11 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 12/8/2005 3:19:03 PM |
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#9: I realize that most advances are incremental & based on previous work. And I never said that MS has never innovated. What I am saying is that MS talks the talk more than it walks the walk these days. And Apple fully admits it based OSX on the Mach UNIX kernel, without throwing the 'innovation' word around every 15 minutes.
I consider myself an MS critic, albeit a harsh one. I don't hate them. If you've read anything I've posted over the past few years you would know that I want & expect better from MS. I use their products and I don't wish them death. I want them to be a better corporate citizen and for them to make better products. Yes, I am aware that other companies spin so fast they almost create their own reality vortex, but they don't affect my world as much as MS does. As the biggest player in the IT world, it behooves them to act in an ethical, responsible manner as is befitting their position as a major IT leader. That's why it burns my butt when they do the bad things that MS is known for. |
| #12 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 12/8/2005 3:47:40 PM |
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#1 They have innovated the definition of innovation and are running with that :)
#4 "Oh the Big lie - come on it is called markerting every company does it." Does the latter part negate the former in any way? Is it no longer a lie if everyone says it? #7 "men like Ballmer allow their work to speak for them. I've met him and one would be hard pressed to find a nicer or more devoted and honest man" I'm just curious... is this before, during or after he's finished throwing chairs around in a fit of anger, swearing his head off and threatening to kill other companies? |
| #13 By 415 (69.67.200.50) at 12/8/2005 4:06:24 PM |
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Man actually has a history of turning fiction into truth, and vice versa, Chris. I'd name a few specific examples, but they would probably be more of a religious argument than this one. So I'll save all of you the typing. ;-)
I do believe Microsoft to be a company that innovates, and even more so in recent years. I don't believe that there should be some restriction on who can describe their work as innovative or not. This post was edited by IronCladLou on Thursday, December 08, 2005 at 16:14. |
| #14 By 3746 (24.215.62.156) at 12/8/2005 5:31:04 PM |
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no my problem is not that you are a MS critic - personally i am a harsh one. My problem is when people pick on a certain company (MS gets a lot of it) and say they should be held to a different standard then others. Take for example the godly google - the company that can do no wrong. They are in the process of aquistion of companies to add to their products and services. They are dong something that they explicity stated that they wouldn't and then changed their own online info so said aquisitions would still jive with their "philosophy". You don't see people saying that google didn't innovate or that they are evil. In the end they are both public companies whose goal is to enrich thier investors and they are doing that. PR and marketing is just a way to sell the company and products. It is up to the individual to make their own choice on whether they should use the product. I mean does it really make a difference if Ballmer sits on stage and BS's all day long? Is it really going to make any difference to the quality (or lack their of) of MS products? No i don't think it will. I don't really get how Ballmer spinning his ass of really makes a difference in your life when it comes to tech. This post was edited by kaikara on Thursday, December 08, 2005 at 17:31. |
| #15 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 12/8/2005 6:23:11 PM |
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#12, Before, but it does not matter. The man is passionate and I can respect that - as the owner and founder of my business, I can certainly understand what it is to care so much for your company and especialy its people, that it can motivate one to very high levels of energy.
#8, Just ask any one of the 10's of thousands of MS employees that have been included - it isn't required and MS sets the standard for all corporations in this regard. #9's point is correct, but Linux derived from Minix - a teaching tool used to teach how to build an OS. It's simply wild that it "Linux" is used as it is - knowing that. Unix itself derived from Multix - get it? Multi vice Uni and "it" too was a teaching tool bummed up to be used commercially. What I find hilarious is that companies like Apple hold it out as some kind of industrial standard, when even commerically, it is a "Brand" at best - and for what? - an OS ditched a long time ago by anoyone that knew even one whit about the matter. I see so many packages for the Linuces - ports of one school project after another....hilarious - nah, "SAD" that so many don't know the truth of it all. The science tells a different and more complete story and that story reveals tons of innovation on the part of MS. Reality os, teaching, or commercial, bummmed or not, all these devs are geat - as is any one stepping up to write anything, or share an opinion - it's healthy. I do wish however, that the truth and science be embraced more and also that solutions built with and on 'any" thing, or integration of things, be advanced. It's why i spoke up in here...that word "Lie" - it just does not apply. Having been around MS pelple a little bit - it is much like really dedicated agency people - just good and decent people trying to make a difference. To characterize that as a lie is simply inappropriate and frankly, wrong. My advice to anyone who speaks so casually is to take a step back and work to contribute in a way that adds to the discourse. I mean, define innovation, for example - then align examples, or not. There is so much promise in all of this - perhaps an eventual universal understanding resulting in some really great things - and MS has that as a goal. That too is innovative. |
| #16 By 2332 (66.92.78.18) at 12/8/2005 7:09:00 PM |
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Microsoft does innovate. They may not have many very visible innovations to their credit (although the recent AJAX crazy reminds me that Microsoft invented AJAX long before that term existed with Outlook Web Access), but a lot of the way things like NT is implemented is extremely innovative.
The NT kernel and its design is extremely innovative, and there is nothing else out there quite like it. For instance, the NT Object Manager, which is a kernel level construct, is what makes it possible to apply security to virtually everything in Windows, from files and folders to ports and devices. This kind of thing is either not possible in other OS', or is a hackjob at best. But whether or not they innovate is irrelevant. Microsoft has taken technologies which might have taken 5x as long to make it to the majority of consumers and made them common place. Do they embrace and extend? Of course... and what they embrace makes its way on to nearly every PC on the planet. A great example is managed code. Did they invent it? Of course not. The concept of managed code is 30 years old. But with .NET and Windows, Microsoft is slowly but surely creating an environment of safer computing. 10 years from now, unmanaged applications will be few and far between and this will make computing safer and more reliable. The added ease of managed runtimes like .NET will also create an environment of innovation outside of Microsoft by making it easier to create complex and novel applications that run on Windows. A lot of people have a lot of good ideas that never come to fruition because they lack some of the advanced programming skills that would be required today to create those applications. Kind of like the invention of the printing press led to an explosion in writing and literacy. Microsoft's unique position in computing affords them the ability to dramatically change its future, and so far their track record is pretty good. |
| #17 By 135 (72.131.105.244) at 12/9/2005 12:38:56 PM |
| Success is around the corner! |
| #18 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 12/9/2005 5:29:16 PM |
| lketchum, sodajerk, sodablue... wow, this is starting to look like a family reunion! Hopefully some more show up 'round here--it's been awfully boring in the comments sections lately. I guess no one will comment if there isn't a prize at stake.... |
| #19 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 12/9/2005 8:39:08 PM |
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#13 "Man actually has a history of turning fiction into truth, and vice versa, Chris. I'd name a few specific examples, but they would probably be more of a religious argument"
In that case I doubt we'd disagree on that point. #15 "high levels of energy" The correct word that you were looking for is "anger" not energy... unless you're going to get all Yoda on us and tell us that energy leads to anger! #16 "Microsoft does innovate." No-one has ever said that they don't. And AJAX was invented by Microsoft although people had been doing AJAX-style applications long beforehand just not as eloquently. |
| #20 By 3339 (64.160.58.150) at 12/13/2005 7:37:01 PM |
| bluvg, this site sucks these days. Live with it. It's a handful of the old hacks saying the same crap over and over in the same rpedictable stories while 30 stories go with zero comments and the admins don't care to post better material. I warned them of this for a long time, but oh well.... |
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