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Microsoft: Linux is anti-commercial | |
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| Time: 23:59 EST/04:59 GMT | News Source: ZDNet UK | Posted By: Andre Da Costa | ||
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References to free software and Linux were removed from a UN document after Microsoft claimed that such software aims to 'make it impossible to make any income on software as a commercial product. Microsoft asked for references to free software to be removed from a document presented at last week's UN World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) conference, the software giant admitted on Friday. The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) is unhappy that the document was changed and claims that even though it was on the panel discussing the document, it was not made aware of Microsoft's changes. | ||
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| #1 By 15406 (24.43.125.29) at 11/27/2005 7:16:06 AM |
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More of MS' sneaky, strong-arm B.S.
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| #2 By 12071 (203.217.49.86) at 11/27/2005 7:41:42 AM |
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Not quite that sneaky... they've just evolved from "GPL is a virus" and "Linux is communist" to "Linux/OSS makes it impossible to make any income on software". It's still a completely baseless lie and just serves to continue their FUD on OSS... but it's not any more sneaky than their previous tries.
As the article says, the following sentence: "revenue is generated not by selling content and digital works, as they can be freely distributed at almost no cost, but by offering services on top of them. The success of the free software model is one example" was modified to: "revenue is generated by offering services on top of contents" After all, we can't go around telling people that it's possible to earn revenue with free software now can we! Now quickly back to those paid for Get The FUD studies. |
| #3 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 11/27/2005 11:14:25 AM |
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#2 "GPL is a virus" and "Linux is communist" to "Linux/OSS makes it impossible to make any income on software".
All of the above are true. The GPL is coercive. It also recommends programmers blackmail their employers to force them to make software a company has written into open source. Linux has peaked. Look at server revenue. For Linux, its all downhill from here as the truth comes out. |
| #4 By 3653 (68.52.61.116) at 11/27/2005 5:37:56 PM |
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you gotta give credit where credit is due...
and IBM has done a masterful job of putting money at strategic linux niches to give the appearance of overall growth. But even IBM can't trick the world forever. |
| #5 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 11/28/2005 8:47:02 AM |
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#4: revenue is a totally stupid metric for gauging Linux server installs. Most people download it for free, so it doesn't show up on any revenue totals. So, if Linux is just shy of MS for purchased servers with Linux pre-installed, then overall Linux must be kicking the crap out of MS if you consider all the people either buying systems with WIndwos and wiping it, or those who install on existing servers.
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| #6 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 11/28/2005 9:35:58 AM |
| #6 Don't be such a whining loser. It makes you look even more pathetic. |
| #7 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 11/28/2005 9:36:32 AM |
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#6 Don't forget, as recent studies have shown, over 80% of computers sold without an OS end up with a pirated copy of Windows on them.
So in reality, Linux's sales are actually 20% of whats reported. |
| #8 By 16797 (142.46.227.65) at 11/28/2005 10:09:58 AM |
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@NotParker:
#4 Linux has peaked. Look at server revenue. Well.. I, for once, disagree with you. Linux servers still show strong growth. Revenue.. yes, but be careful: Linux has lower price to start with than Windows (especially when you have to pay for CALs). Another example: one of the servers that we use for QA testing in my company is Red Hat Fedora. We never paid a penny for that one, it is not included in those revenue based reports. Windows is doing great, but so is Linux (server). This post was edited by gonzo on Monday, November 28, 2005 at 10:11. |
| #9 By 32132 (142.32.208.231) at 11/28/2005 10:42:21 AM |
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#9 I think Gartner and IDC account for those kind of examples as best they can.
However, as an example, in my organization over the last 4 years we have bought over 200 servers that ended up running Windows 2000 and Windows 2003. Not one of them was bought with an OS. We get an Academic discount from Microsoft and never buy a server with an OS. Most companies with some kind of agreement with Microsoft do the same thing. |
| #10 By 16797 (142.46.227.65) at 11/28/2005 11:07:13 AM |
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#10
Yes, but.. why do you say it's all downhill for Linux (servers), from now? I see that Linux servers still show strong growth. Even if we don't count Linux that you can get for free, there's still ~33% growth. I wouldn't call that "downhill". And while revenues from Linux server sales rose a substantial 34 percent in the quarter, that was less than the growth rate in that category during the previous quarter, according to IDC. I know, you'll say it's less that prev quarter.. but 34% growth ain't that bad at all. Certainly I wouldn't say it's "all downhill from now". This post was edited by gonzo on Monday, November 28, 2005 at 11:16. |
| #11 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 11/28/2005 11:56:15 AM |
| #7: As usual, PArkkkker, you reply to me with nothing but insults. But that's to be expected when you don't really have an argument to back up your nonsense. |
| #12 By 32132 (142.32.208.231) at 11/28/2005 1:45:44 PM |
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#12 I tried facts and logic. But you don't understand that kind of argument since I've never seen you use either.
#10 I think the point is that Linux, with less than one third of the revenue of Windows is on track to grow no more than 10 or 15% in the next year. Even now unit sales are growing only 20.5% for Linux, which is just barely above Windows Unit Sales increase of 15.3%. Now, if Windows is already massively ahead of Linux and growth rates of Linux are soon to be the same or less than Windows, then I predict Linux to never be more than an afterthought. I'm not arguing it will go away soon, but the hype phase is over, the easy pick up of Unix business is slowing. And Windows is No. 1 and growing at an impressive rate. This post was edited by NotParker on Monday, November 28, 2005 at 13:46. |
| #13 By 16797 (65.95.22.161) at 11/28/2005 11:30:54 PM |
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And you think that the fact that you can just download Linux for free doesn't affect, significantly, the number of Linux servers deployed? Yeah, I know one could argue that it didn't change anything on the desktop, but it is different on the server side for many reasons. Anyways, thanks for sharing your opinion NotParker. I guess, we'll know more this time next year. |
| #14 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 11/29/2005 10:27:28 AM |
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"And you think that the fact that you can just download Linux for free doesn't affect, significantly, the number of Linux servers deployed?"
I think anyone who wants to can deploy Windows for free as well. There are so many pirated copies around. |
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