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  DVD dispute burns at PC makers
Time: 12:09 EST/17:09 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: John Quigley

After quietly heating up over recent months, the battle over next-generation DVD formats boiled over Thursday, as Dell and Hewlett-Packard assailed Intel and Microsoft, which have lined up in the opposite camp. Earlier this week, Microsoft and Intel announced that they were backing the HD-DVD format, saying its approach will spur easier home networking of movies and make it simpler to distribute hybrid discs containing both high-definition and traditional DVD movies. Dell and HP shot back Thursday, saying the world's largest software and processor makers were spreading "inaccurate" information. They also reiterated their backing for the rival Blu-ray format. "From a PC end-user perspective, Blu-ray is a superior format," HP personal-storage unit general manager Maureen Weber said in a statement. Weber said Blu-ray offers anywhere from two-thirds to 150 percent more storage capacity, as well as higher transfer rates, and fits easily into slim notebooks. "The technical merits and consumer benefits of Blu-ray Disc make it the ideal solution for HP's customers."

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#1 By 9156 (192.55.140.2) at 9/30/2005 1:47:40 PM
Maybe they need to stop making absolute decisions for customers and offer compatibility with both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Let the public make the decision which is better. To me that seems like it would be the ideal solution for HP's customers. Its always been my experiance that HP's focus is to make the most profit possible from the lowest quality parts possible being sold to the least informed buyer possilble. To see them behind blu-ray puts blu-ray lower on my list.

This post was edited by Austin814 on Friday, September 30, 2005 at 13:48.

#2 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 9/30/2005 2:42:45 PM
Ok, everyone here grab their chairs and sit down. Ready?

I agree with Microsoft on this one :)

On PAPER, Blu-Ray has technical advantages over HD-DVD. On PAPER.

That's the problem. From what I've been reading recently many of the features of Blu-Ray are vaporware and do not even exist! You would not know this by reading just the Blu-Ray papers or other main-stream articles. You have to dig.

HD-DVD, on the other hand, is done. Everything that is promised as a feature is available NOW.

A lot of so-called advantages of Blu-Ray haven't even been proven in the Labs yet. They flat don't exist, except on paper.

TL

#3 By 11131 (64.132.138.66) at 9/30/2005 3:20:02 PM
I am leaning more toward HD-DVD myself...

Alister

#4 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 9/30/2005 3:43:05 PM
Austin--I would agree with you, at least on HP's lower-end consumer stuff. Minus a couple exceptions, I've had great luck with their laser printers, though. If their PC quality and consumer satisfaction ratings were decent, I would be happy to consider them. In some ways I regret buying Dell because they put hardly any money into R&D--they really don't help the industry (and btw, when will they finally come out with a TABLET PC?!?! They complain that the adoption rate is slow... perhaps the adoption rate is slow because THEY don't OFFER one! They always seem last to the party on these types of things...). But their build quality is generally solid (at least on their desktops... I've had good luck on their laptops, but I know that's not everyone's experience), their business machines are quick and easy to repair, the tech support is good (in my experience--you have to know what you want to avoid getting stuck with the script-readers), and usually you don't end up with any odd-ball proprietary hardware (a good thing, though it also reflects their lack of R&D commitment). I'd pay a bit extra to support a company that puts forth at least some R&D effort.

This post was edited by bluvg on Friday, September 30, 2005 at 15:44.

#5 By 61 (65.32.175.192) at 10/1/2005 9:44:12 PM
Austin: This would be nearly impossible, as it would require 2 different lasers. They are also 2 completely different formats.

This is nothing like the writeable DVD standards war (which still hasn't even been settled, it's just that everything supports all the formats now).

#6 By 12071 (203.158.58.209) at 10/2/2005 2:24:23 AM
#6 "This would be nearly impossible, as it would require 2 different lasers"
WTF? Since when does this require 2 different lasers let alone being close to impossible?!? Both formats use a blue laser at 405nm. The differences between them are format and physical disc differences (e.g. the cover layer for DVD and HD-DVD is 0.6mm whereas it's just 0.1mm for Blu-Ray).

We will end up with "8X Blu-Ray, 8X Blu-Ray-RW, 8X HD-DVD, 8X HD-DVD-ROM, 8X HD-DVD-RW 4X-DL Blu-Ray, 4X-DL HD-DVD, 2.4X-Quad Layer Blu-Ray (apologies if I missed any)" burners which will confuse the F*&k out of people like it does at the moment with all the DVD "standards". Oh and of course those burners above will also be compatible with all the DVD and CD standards currently available. i.e. You will need 4 lines just to state all the formats the burner is capable of burning.

As for me - I'm for the format that can give me the largest possible storage space. HD-DVD giving me 15GB per layer and 30GB per disc - with no plans (as far as I have heard to move past 2 layers - perhaps it's not possible!) just doesn't stand up to 25GB per layer, 50GB per disc and current plans to go up to 200GB per disc. But all of this will be settled by whichever format the porno industry and movie industry back.

#7 By 15406 (24.43.125.29) at 10/2/2005 12:31:22 PM
Also,

http://trends.newsforge.com/trends/05/10/01/1548246.shtml?tid=29

#8 By 2201 (62.252.0.12) at 10/2/2005 1:04:27 PM
#5 Xbox 360 is DVD, NOT HD-DVD. It's rumoured that they might add HD-DVD functionality, but it's just that, a rumour. For all we know in the future, HD-DVD could end up being the spectacular loser and Microsoft might add Blu-Ray to it instead.

#9 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 10/3/2005 1:07:08 PM
Chris,

Those large blue-ray numbers don't even exist. They are vaporware and only on paper.

Currently, HD-DVD actually out-stores Blue-Ray at 30GB, if you only consider what is available _in reality_.

TL

#10 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 10/3/2005 2:18:34 PM
If this is to be believed, now Toshiba wants to talk again. Imagine that :)

TL

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11942

#11 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 10/4/2005 1:08:52 AM
#11 "HD-DVD actually out-stores Blue-Ray at 30GB"
HD-DVD is stuck at 30GB - there are no plans to increase it - it may not even be possible. Wow - 3 times the storage that we have right now! Excuse me if I don't sound excited enough!

The 50GB Blu-Ray disc may not have been manufactured yet - but does that mean that it won't be by the time readers and writers are available? All the current standards were once standards only on paper - it took a while for dual layer burners to come out too - but they did.

As I mentioned, I'm sure the movie and porn industries will ultimately settle the "winner" but I'm behind whichever format gives me the maximum storage and maximum flexibility.

#12 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 10/4/2005 9:19:18 AM
These days, I'll take reality over promise-ware any time.

Every time something like this comes up, I flash back to the AT&T "You Will" commercials.

That was 5-8 years ago. We haven't yet.

TL

This post was edited by TechLarry on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 at 09:20.

#13 By 9156 (192.55.140.2) at 10/5/2005 4:04:03 PM
CPUGuy - Although I respect your opinion, I have to say that to make the statement saying "nearly impossible" and involving technology is a bad guess at best. I personally have not designed a DVD drive, but by looking at how they are built I would say it would be inherently simple to add a second laser, a second decoder or build a chip that decodes both. I know physically there isn’t anything in common with dual core CPU's, just that 5 years ago it would be "nearly impossible" to build it.

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