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Microsoft slams Oracle claim on not using Windows | |
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| Time: 22:54 EST/03:54 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Adrian Latinak | ||
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Microsoft Corp. on Tuesday disputed claims made by an Oracle Corp. executive that the company uses Unix on its Web servers instead of its flagship Windows program, which is the main operating system targeted by hackers. The only Microsoft Web site that uses Unix, along with Microsoft software, is Hotmail, the free e-mail Web site Microsoft acquired in early 1998, said a spokeswoman. That site is being migrated over to Microsoft software, the company said. | ||
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| #1 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 12/12/2001 12:45:36 AM |
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Honestly that movie was horrible, I'm surprised Oracle would want to associate itself with it.
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| #2 By 182 (24.23.165.86) at 12/12/2001 2:38:28 AM |
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I am well known here, I hope, as a Microsoft apologist of sorts. I think they make the best products for most implementations, and I love most of their products.
However, Hotmail is, I believe, the single largest email system in the world. It has more mailboxes for a single domain/mx than any other on earth. And, quite honestly, we must admit that Windows, all of it designed to run on x86 platforms, just won't scale up to the kind of system required to make something like that work. (Yes, I know NT 4 would run on Alpha systems, but it still doesn't scale as well as VMS would on the same systems). Microsoft continues to make inroads into enterprise level computing. Certainly the ability to run Microsoft.com, one of the top five Internet sites in the world in terms of hits and traffic, so securely and quickly as it has been run for so many years on IIS, is tribute to the scalability of some Microsoft products. But they're not all there yet. Exchange is my favorite Microsoft product of all (though XP is a close second), and if I had a million mailbox installation that I had to make, I would seriously doubt if it would be an Exchange based system. Sendmail starts looking VERY attractive at those levels of scale. And Hotmail has, what, 60 million + mailboxes??? |
| #3 By 1845 (207.173.73.201) at 12/12/2001 10:45:48 AM |
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As I understood it, Hotmai ran on FreeBSD then migrated last year to Windows2000. As far as what Microsoft servers are capable of, it is rather foolish to make statements based on NT 4/ Exchange 5.5 / SQL Server 6.5 - all of which were current when Microsoft bought Hotmail. The 2000 versions of these products are significantly different than previous versions.
What does this matter to Oracle anyway? Even if portions of Hotmail ran on some flavor of Unix, you can bet that Microsoft still wouldn't involve Oracle databases. Since Oracle is a database vendor, Microsoft running a different OS really doesn't support Oracles position. It's like saying to a professional football player, "Yeah, well, you can't dance ballet." |
| #4 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 12/12/2001 11:18:09 AM |
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Hotmail is not entirely Unix, in fact, the fast majority of it is Windows 2000 Advanced Server and Windows 2000 Datacenter.
There are still a few legacy systems running BSD, but that has *nothing* to do with scalability and everything to do with applications compatibility and the work involved in porting applications to Windows without changing the basic operations of those applications. Very often and application must be redesigned to work well (and/or better) on Windows because Windows does some things differently. The few remaining BSD machines are important, but not from a speed/scalability point of view. |
| #5 By 1295 (216.84.210.100) at 12/12/2001 11:44:11 AM |
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From what I read on their Migration Paper they did (as referenced above) they moved almost the entire system to x86/Windows. If you read the whole paper there was a small piece at the end about how they are rewriting ALL the code to run Hotmail and that some small pieces of the system are still based on Solaris until the software can be rewritten to move it to MS. The vast majority is not on Windows Servers.
I for one understand while they are taking so long to rebuild the site being that I can't imagine you would not rebuild something like that only to save face. It was working and has been working the entire time. I imagine that they will have it all migrated but I doubt they are worrying to much about it since it is a free service and probably the largest site on the Net (servers + storage etc.) I personally don't care what they do about it... even if it was still Solaris based. If it ain't broke don't fix it. They will make changes when new features require it. This post was edited by Mr.Humpty on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 11:46. |
| #6 By 3339 (206.216.3.134) at 12/12/2001 2:16:07 PM |
| Yeah, I dig this... bitching and moaning, and yes, ellison is a fool. But he says lots of stupid stuff, he doesn't care... what he managed to do was to get a fresh statement from MS saying that yes, there is still Unix in Hotmail -- which according to MS's statements and the migration paper would be hard to figure out. |
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