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  Microsoft to nix some Net product activation
Time: 08:40 EST/13:40 GMT | News Source: ZDNet | Posted By: Chris Hedlund

Customers who find themselves reinstalling Windows XP should be ready for a headache: Microsoft will no longer support activating the product over the Internet for PCs which have Windows pre-installed.

Intended to curtail the stealing and selling of certificates of authenticity, the new security measure will start at the end of this month. At first, it will be limited to the Windows XP software preinstalled on systems shipped by the top 20 PC sellers. "The main reason (for the change) is to address piracy in this area," a Microsoft representative said on Thursday. "Microsoft has found various people selling the labels of authenticity that they have copied or have pulled off other PCs." The change is the latest attempt by Microsoft to target software pirates who try to sell stolen copies of Windows XP or the certificates of authenticity that mark the software as legitimate. The company has a plan to check that people's operating systems are properly licensed before allowing them to download certain updates. The plan, known as the Windows Genuine Advantage initiative, was introduced in January.

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#1 By 13797 (69.172.210.119) at 2/25/2005 11:28:50 AM
If anything, this will probably boost piracy once it catches on. If someone reinstalls on Microsoft tech support advice, and then they have to call back and jump through hoops, I can imagine there's a fair chance that this person will go looking for a tech friend that will allow them to get around having to do that anymore.

#2 By 7760 (12.155.143.50) at 2/25/2005 7:43:10 PM
I have a beef along these same lines. While not technically pre-installing, the insistence that every PC sold come with an operating system (most often Windows) is almost as bad, IMO. At my last job, we had a volume license agreement with Microsoft and used it to install XP on all workstations that we bought from a local vendor. The vendor was forced to sell us a copy of XP (CD + key) for each workstation, however. We, naturally, never used those copies and installed XP from our volume license key, instead.

All one ever had or has to do is write down the CD key off of the stickers that are affixed to each of the computers at that business, and procure a single XP CD (either on one's own or from the hundreds in our wastebasket), and that person would literally have hundreds of fully-legit, untraceable and never-activated copies of XP. That would never be possible without the silly requirement that Windows be sold with every pre-built system. Perhaps someone should plug that huge and easy piracy loophole before making life more difficult for average users with fully-legit intentions.

Sure, either the vendor or our manager, or both, weren't following all of the rules and doing everything possible to prevent such a chance for piracy, but when someone puts roadblocks up, a lot of people are going to look for the easiest way around them. I suspect the same thing will happen with this pre-installed activation policy, as MartinBlank points out.

This post was edited by Osprey on Friday, February 25, 2005 at 19:58.

#3 By 37 (24.183.41.60) at 2/26/2005 9:01:43 AM
"With these stupid and idiotic moves, "

It's funny. It's the same OSS apologists that said the same thing about Activation when it was introduced, yet that has worked out in Microsoft's favor in curving casual copying. LOL.

#4 By 37 (24.183.41.60) at 2/26/2005 6:55:28 PM
I have activated multiple (hundreds) of XP machines (including Office XP as well!), and many times on one machine and hardware changes.

NEVER once had to call in to activate. No inconvenience what so ever. The biggest inconenience is probably seen by the pirates.

#5 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 2/27/2005 5:29:47 PM
#8 "yet that has worked out in Microsoft's favor in curving casual copying. LOL"
What's funny is that you actually believe that given no proof whatsoever that it has made any effect.

#11 "The biggest inconenience is probably seen by the pirates."
Yes, all those pirates are REALLY inconvenienced by the fact that they can only generate 20 keys per second for the Corp. edition and need to double click on a single exe to remove activation from any non-Corp. edition. Oooh yes, a real inconvenience! They have it easier than you do.

#6 By 37 (24.183.41.60) at 2/27/2005 5:53:06 PM
What on EARTH are you talking about Chris. There are different kinds of pirates. Casual copiers (WHICH activation was intended for) do NOT go through the scenarios that you just mentioned.

"Counterfeiting is a common form of piracy. Others include hard disk loading, Internet pirating and casual copying, or softlifting. Casual copying is the sharing of software between people in a way that infringes on the software's EULA. An example of casual copying is if someone were to get a copy of Office XP and load it on his or her PC, then share it with a second person who loaded it on his or her PC, then share it with a third person who loaded it on his or her PC, and so on. This form of piracy is very prevalent and accounts for a large portion of the economic losses due to piracy. It is this form of piracy, casual copying, that Microsoft is primarily looking to reduce with Product Activation."

I really WISH you did the research first. Post back when you do.

No proof?! Again...can I have some of what you are smoking?

#7 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 2/27/2005 11:15:44 PM
#14 You're starting to sound like FoxNews! Show me proof that casual copying has decreased as a direct result of Activation. Note that posting a link to someone in Microsoft saying that it's decreased isn't proof! I know plenty of casual copiers that use the activation hack, usually their child or a friend has installed both XP and the hack at the same time for them. So these are not the 'l33t' pirates you think I'm talking about.

"I really WISH you did the research first. Post back when you do."
I realy wish you had a clue, but we can't all have what we wish for!

"No proof?! Again...can I have some of what you are smoking?"
I don't smoke anything Brian... and I'm still waiting for you to show me proof. So far you've only managed to continue spreading the myth.

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