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  A rising star even Microsoft can't snuff out
Time: 00:00 EST/05:00 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Chris Hedlund

A clever fox is sneaking into Microsoft's henhouse, and some observers are warning that though it won't steal any valuable software itself, it could leave the door open to more ravenous invaders if the software giant isn't careful. The intruder is Firefox, an Internet browser used to surf the Web - display pages and interact with them. In recent years, Microsoft has monopolized browsing with its ubiquitous Internet Explorer (IE), the familiar blue "e" on millions of computer screens. But IE is under heavy criticism for being riddled with security flaws, allowing pop-up ads, spyware, and viruses to infect computers.

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#1 By 17605 (24.18.169.204) at 2/3/2005 2:39:58 AM
Is there a story here or did I miss something?

#2 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 2/3/2005 9:46:43 AM
Hmm, instead of just dumping buckets of money on Microsoft, let's examine alternatives. Yes, a dark day indeed...

#3 By 8556 (12.217.111.74) at 2/3/2005 2:12:17 PM
Download Netcaptor to get improved secutity, tabbed browsing, and still use the IE engine with its speed advantage over Firefox.

#4 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 2/5/2005 11:30:54 PM
There were never any browser wars. Wars require combatants - MS didn't field an army much les fire a shot.

There were differences in philosophy. Netscape departed from the idea that personal computers should be intense personal environments where the "owner" of the system had full control of "their" system and owned a license for the software on it. They wanted an environment that had no OS at all and only a client - their client - their browser.

MS saw it and does see it as being very different - where a personal computer is seen as perhaps the most intensely personal environment anyone may have. Small business and home networks are seen in the same light. "My this..." and "My that...." reflect this. Personal Profiles protect this space - when used properly. Think for a moment how upset any of us becomes when someone so much as approaches our personal rigs. "Leet" guys ask one another permission and tread light on another person's rig. Ask also, how upset kids get when another kid plays on a game they have saved - some heated pushing matches break out pretty quickly.

Very obviously, people agreed with Microsoft and they still do.

What is going on now is also normal and has zero to do with previous differences.

About 18 months ago, the climate on the Internet did not change, rather changes that had been going on began to manifest themselves in some serious exploits of basically how COM Clients were handled within MS products. The reality is that an openess and development tools that allow remote code execution were exploited - not even by very clever, or even sophisticated people and applications. In one case, DCOM RPC was exploited - uh duh, so could have Sun RPC in the exact same way... - same for Java RMI, Flash Remoting or CORBA - each could have been exploited and via the same paths. In others, another COM Client designed to allow code signing and validation [a good thing that was also exploited] allowed properly signed code to infest IE. All that is over - even without a firewall, which in the first case would have a did protect most systems. In the second, ActiveX - the dreaded four letter word of COM Clients, was exploited and fixed by SP2. Oh, at this point it is very useful to note that there are many COM Clients and without them the Internet is bland as wrote inline HTML.
cont...

#5 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 2/5/2005 11:31:21 PM
Mozilla, FireFox, Opera - they all can use COM Clients and they can and are all exploitable. I happen to be of the assessment [note I did not say belief], that alternative browsers are very
vulnerable. Oh, and in the case of most of these, they can also use ActiveX as a COM Client - on emay add it at will - just as they'd any any plug-in. I note the FF crowd in particular is fond of speaking to how many are available - they do however fail to note that ActiveX is one of them, or that one form or another is required when they do add plug-ins - I mean, how else is remote code execution to be enabled...??? I could go on for days about this, but know it might not actually help. I do hope people will explore this and really get to know how things are done. Remember, the guys and gals in the press have a different perspective - they do not build SW, HW or integrate them - they simply observe and often write about much they do not understand. I mean, simple things like Session_OnEND events and Application_OnEND Events don't even exist in FF, Moz, or Safari... only in IE, and if one does not understand why that matters, they should probably read more and post a lot less. ...ever need to fire event triggers in an app when a person dumps their browser vice exiting a session within your app? or sense when a browser or system crashes? It matters and matters a lot.

Trust me, if there were a browser war, and MS wanted to fight it, it'd be like the 82nd AB Div picking on a cub-scout troop. MS would and does [I sense] see such as bad form and simply wrong. The only thing more wrong was a person - the Honorable Judge Jackson - a neophyte with a degree in history.

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