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| Time: 13:24 EST/18:24 GMT | News Source: ZDNet UK | Posted By: Todd Richardson | ||
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Microsoft's latest attack on Linux, in which its chief executive Steve Ballmer repeated the key themes of Microsoft's "Get The Facts" campaign, has evoked a strong response from Novell which accuses the software giant of selectivity. In the email sent to Microsoft customers and partners on Wednesday, Ballmer claimed that Windows was a better choice than Linux in terms of security, training, total cost of ownership (TCO) and protection against legal action over patent violations. Novell vice-president John Hogan and senior business analyst Barrett Coakley responded to the various points in the email, and claim Microsoft was selective in its choice of which sections of the reports to back up its 'facts' with. | ||
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| #1 By 10022 (24.169.22.22) at 10/28/2004 6:58:54 PM |
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You know what the funniest thing to watch is?
Its watching 2 paid "professionals" trying get a linux server to do something for the first time. Although that itself is surpassed by watching them subsequently getting it to work with any thing else. Days turn to months before these things ever get functioning. So far we've prbably blown $30000 just in labor trying to find a "linux solution" to our exchange 5.5 problem for the last 6 months (its not my place to make these decisions, but hopefully after they mess it all up it will be!) first it was OpenExchange that went no where then we were going to write our own stuff to run on linux (of course we have time for this too!) All this to save what i've heard quoted as $50000 to go to Active Directory -- wich I think is more than what it would cost - (especially when they said they wanted to get rid of Office because they didnt want to pay $400/each for everyone to have Office 2003 Premium -- because we really all need to use FP and Access all day right? and pay for an Outlook license to use an external POP server!) The funny thing is, when they eventually found a solution for the backup server they choose to run it on Windows 2000 Server!!!! |
| #2 By 1658 (24.18.60.13) at 10/28/2004 11:30:33 PM |
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What's the matter Halcyon? Feel a thorn in your side when you hear a real-world experience support what you persistently claim to be FUD from Microsoft?
Odd... our sales were through the roof last quarter and the one before that, and I attended a meeting earlier today that showed a substantial number, obviously one that is confidential for me to post here but nonetheless, of the clients that we lost to Linux in the last 180 day fiscal period arriving back on our platform and renewing their Software Assurance licenses again. I know, they were forced at gunpoint to do so. Oh boy, if only I could tell you how many of them weren't even approached by Microsoft to reconsider. Not that it would matter anyway, all Microsoft does is lie and distort the truth. We're the Fox News of software! Between our sales numbers and facts such as these, I just can't get over how people are buying our product that is so featureless, so expensive, and so useless! It's amazing... truly a mystery. This post was edited by aamendala on Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 23:35. |
| #3 By 135 (69.7.134.5) at 10/29/2004 5:23:11 AM |
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It's not clear to me that Microsoft's claims are any less substantiated than the FUD which comes from the Linux league of zealots.
I wish there was some way to identify the truth, like how the internet has recently shredded all the excuses put forth by the Bush administration for why they didn't secure bunkers filled with explosives in Iraq. But these claims of being more secure, etc. are subjective observations. |
| #4 By 7797 (63.76.44.6) at 10/29/2004 9:14:04 AM |
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"Days turn to months before these things ever get functioning."
Sounds to me like you have the wrong persons on the job. I feel sorry for you that someone duped you into believing that they know what their doing. But this has very little to do with Linux and more to do with the compentency of those who did the job. Ask google for example... This post was edited by tgnb on Friday, October 29, 2004 at 09:14. |
| #5 By 7797 (63.76.44.6) at 10/29/2004 9:15:49 AM |
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"It's not clear to me that Microsoft's claims are any less substantiated than the FUD which comes from the Linux league of zealots."
Wow for once I agree. Though if I were microsoft I wouldnt want to lower myself to the level of the Linux leage of zealots. |
| #6 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 10/29/2004 12:49:42 PM |
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Hey, Novell goes blundering along after they were taken to the woodshed by Microsoft with their directory services product. How many products, CEO, CIOs, etc. have they gone through in the last several years? I've lost count. Anybody?
By the way, what's up with the Munich install of now Novell's Linux distro? Still "studying" the problem . . . "Governments across the planet are going open sore!" Munich - our "latest" example - remember those headlines. lol Keeping us all amused on ActiveWin . . . |
| #7 By 1658 (24.18.60.13) at 10/30/2004 1:17:31 AM |
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#14 great case study, better add that one to the Linux "we're better than Microsoft but can't seem to find any coherent way to say so" campaign.
As for this little piece of rhetorical hilarity: "Odd... our sales were through the roof last quarter Your profits were, thanks to budget cutbacks. Sales?" How in the hell did you translate sales to profits immediately? I said SALES, mentioned nothing of profits because I knew that your response would be such. Our REVENUES are up phenominally, even in the middle of this nasty economic cycle we're in. Explain that for me again? |
| #8 By 135 (69.7.134.5) at 10/30/2004 9:38:36 AM |
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Halcyon - Don't be a Hater.
Microsoft isn't evil, they make good products which people use. You don't have to constantly hate them. |
| #9 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 11/1/2004 12:25:50 AM |
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#20, Kerry is a traitor now, just as he was in 71-73. You're dead on Parkker!
I worked in the business for 20 years and operated under the NSA in non-permissive environments. Kerry, and the Dems are full of crap. There is no way 40,000 professionals armed with the gear I know they have were in any way wrong - no way at all. Any one of them would rather die than mislead the President or anyone else. WMD and all of its precursors went to Syria and Iran and I hope one day it will be revealed. I know these people and they simply would not lie or mislead - they cannot - their reporting systems will not let them over-state a thing. I am furious about this and sad for the American people - my God how we want to be stupid. Sorry to be off the thread's subject. |
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