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| Time: 01:40 EST/06:40 GMT | News Source: The Motley Fool | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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The Mozilla Foundation, the creators of the open-source Firefox browser, has predicted that by the end of 2005, it will have 10% of the browser market. It doesn't take rocket science to realize that's a swing at Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT), given the near ubiquity of its Windows operating system and its Internet Explorer browser. | ||
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| #1 By 10896 (142.167.148.13) at 10/28/2004 12:54:20 PM |
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2% is the most they will ever get.
Mozilla and Firefox both suck like any oss software. |
| #2 By 10896 (142.167.148.13) at 10/28/2004 1:10:43 PM |
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| #3 By 7797 (63.76.44.6) at 10/28/2004 5:38:27 PM |
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| #4 By 1658 (24.18.60.13) at 10/28/2004 11:43:14 PM |
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The most hilarious part of this entire thread thus-far is this blatant laughable assumption that we've for some reason not noticed Firefox, not noticed Mozilla, have halted all development on Internet Explorer, take no notice of new features that should be part of a web browser, have ignored new web standards and have basically decided to just run off and build a cute sidebar in Longhorn and ignore browser development.
If that's your idea of what goes on at Microsoft, I'd love to hear your explanation (other than that we're controlling gun-toting, beheading-threatening monopolists who force everyone to buy our product) for how our sales and downloads of our FREE products are what they are... |
| #5 By 3653 (68.52.181.4) at 10/29/2004 12:36:05 AM |
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10% market share can not be achieved unless one of two things happen...
- msft is forced to bundle firefox or - geek becomes sheek, and 10% of the population become computer nerds |
| #6 By 7797 (63.76.44.6) at 10/29/2004 9:10:06 AM |
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I'm glad my whole post was removed instead of just the part where I quoted the offender and told him that he is most likely violating the TOS in several ways! This post was edited by tgnb on Friday, October 29, 2004 at 09:10. |
| #7 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 10/29/2004 12:03:59 PM |
| tgnb, we can only DELETE the post or Nullify (TOS warning). We cannot edit your posts. |
| #8 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 10/29/2004 12:53:24 PM |
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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha 10% Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! snort, snicker, guffaw!
Hey, this is better then the Letterman top ten! Keep it up ActiveWin! lol |
| #9 By 1643 (69.44.152.181) at 10/29/2004 2:21:08 PM |
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"What do I see that you guys don’t? Firefox is just so easy to use"
#21 Easier to use???? How is entering a address and clicking links "easier to use" in firefox...you blinded by the human nature to side with the underdog. The problem is some sites don't look right in other browsers besides IE (which is the publisher, not the browsers fault). #15 Regardless of an NDA in place...a corporate entity can't be 100% transparent as it's competitors will loot and pillage the new ideas that are being developed. As we all know, Linux copies a lot from Windows...and MS isn't going to give all those "19 year old geeks running the Firefox" ideas that can try to duplicate before the product is released. humor |
| #10 By 3653 (68.52.181.4) at 10/29/2004 5:33:46 PM |
| Firefoxme , my IE browser stopped the same popup. Whoop-t-do. |
| #11 By 3653 (68.52.181.4) at 10/30/2004 12:16:17 AM |
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nulldude/others... you folks just don't get it. No company is going to change their corporate browser because of...
" - Tabbrowsing - Extensions, (heh bugmenot alone is worth the install) - Supports CSS and HTML standards. " And BUSINESS-oriented websites that work only on IE are NOT going to change. I am responsible for a 1,000,000 paying subscriber site, and we will not be changing our IE-only stance... I guarantee you. "Wishful thinking" and "endless enthusiasm" for FireFox does not equate to a successful business plan. And in case you haven't figured it out yet... money makes the world go round. ---- "no more standalone IE. And only feature updates for XP >. That will affect their market share. " Again, we aren't talking about a sub sub sub set of geeks. We are talking BUSINESS. And those business will not be installing Opera or Firefox on their corporate desktops. Stop making the fatal mistake of believing the world is so similar to you and the average person frequenting this and other tech-oriented sites. The "world" is much different than you. You don't believe me? Then explain how IE got 90%+ of the market in the first place. They got that market share for the SAME reasons as why they are going to KEEP the market share. "Wishful thinking" and "endless enthusiasm" for Firefox does not equate to a successful business plan. And don't think for a second that you can win without a better BUSINESS plan. (Successful business plan = money) still makes the world go round. This post was edited by mooresa56 on Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 00:21. |
| #12 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 10/30/2004 4:41:41 PM |
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About the only word [besides waste], that comes to mind opposite threads like this is, "relevance."
One has to question how relevant Firefox, or any browser will be in its present context as software evolves. I just do not see it persisting in its present form - it just does not make any sense. There is enough information out there to indicate where software is going - extensive studies on how people use computers and what they want computers to do have been conducted and drive design. Browsers, and the sites/applications accessed from them, do not provide for this in their present form. Similarly, the analysis and subsequent reporting derived from our activity is largely linear - a terrible perspective from which to base decisions. Non-linear analysis and reporting must drive the products upon which decisions are based, and how software works with users and groups of users. A platform is required to support what is actually demanded and a browser falls well short of that. A platform capable of supporting discoverable sessions and experiences is a better choice. I am certain the authors of Firefox are aware of this - they'd have to be. It is more than ironic that the subtle and not so subtle calls for MS to produce some form of point release ahead of Longhorn results in such discussions - after all, MS "is" building the very platform users, defined by their requirements, are demanding - whether users are directly aware of that demand is irrelevant. So why does this persist? What is the point? Very soon, people are going to have a choice to make - remain confined within the limited space defined by the browser, or take advantage of the personally relevant world of experiences emerging in front of them. Developers are facing the same choices and very few are willing to risk becoming irrelevant. I mean - look at the number of sites with inline SQL statements binding entire data grids to event triggers - makes me gag. I can see morons scripting this over and over as their applications drag - vice storing the dang thing and calling it from anyplace they need to. One has to ask a lot of very pointed questions beginning with, "Why are we seeing more of this junk rather than less...?" The whole mess then slides off of some stupid cliff and degrades into a general Firefox is great and MS is bad....bad MS...bad, bad, bad.... MS' developers aren't even wasting their time laughing - it is beyond silly and well beyond simply ignorant. |
| #13 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 10/31/2004 2:11:48 PM |
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nulldude,
you forgot: Internet Explorer: -Tab browsing -Extensions -Supports CSS and HTML standards So they both have those features available, what is your point? |
| #14 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 10/31/2004 2:13:41 PM |
| My IE popup blocker blocks the AWIN popups. Not sure what the Firefox mention of that has anything to do with anything? |
| #15 By 3653 (68.52.181.4) at 10/31/2004 9:10:34 PM |
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halcyon,
it takes longer for you to write your "doesn't really have many useful extensions that can be found all in one place like Firefox" comment than to get google to show you... www.maxthon.com |
| #16 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 11/1/2004 10:11:24 AM |
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"are worried about security prefer Firefox."
but Firefox is insecure |
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