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| Time: 10:09 EST/15:09 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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September jobs growth was weaker than Wall Street anticipated. The Labor Department today said the U.S. economy added 96,000 jobs last month. Economists polled by CBSMarketWatch had anticipated payrolls to grow by some 138,000. The unemployment rate remained at 5.4%. | ||
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| #1 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 10/11/2004 12:13:12 PM |
| Attempting to keep my thoughts out of this... :) but I think you can find the story further down on the page. |
| #2 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 10/11/2004 1:27:31 PM |
| I should say, attempting to keep my political thoughts out of this... it's fun to discuss, but off-topic and doesn't really go anywhere, and it takes too much time. |
| #3 By 9589 (66.57.151.99) at 10/11/2004 2:21:51 PM |
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Comparing AMD to Intel is like comparing Apple to Dell. Other than they are all in the hardware business, there is just such a huge difference in their revenue and earnings that it is ridiculous.
Meanwhile, my experience with AMD CPUs are that while they run faster they burn hotter and burnout long before Intel CPUs do. We had several thousand workstations that we got as part of a merger that failed after only two years use. Also, we have several hundred IBM two and four processor Intel servers with embedded Ethernet NICs using AMD chips. While upgrading from W2K to W2K3 we discovered that the AMD based Ethernet NICs do not have a driver for the newer operating system. These systems are only three years old and were being shifted out of production to lab use. We had to spend additional dollars for new NICs - we bought Intel's! It is only recently that HP and IBM have offered two and four processor AMD CPU servers. It is just hard to give them a chance given the above. |
| #4 By 135 (69.7.134.5) at 10/11/2004 3:02:38 PM |
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There will be no third party in America. Our Constitution is setup to support a majority party and an opposition party. That's it. The concept of third parties forming coalition governments as they do in Europe ain't going to happen because we don't have a Parliamentary form of government.
Coalitions exist outside of the electoral process... they are formed during the party conventions when they choose their candidates and the message to campaign on. The Republican party today is a coalition of Rich Fat Cats and Religious Wingnuts. The Democratic party today is a coalition of Social Libertarians, Fiscal Conservatives, Social Democrats, and a handful of Fruitcakes. If you don't like the party's message... get involved with the one which offers you the chance to provide input and change it. These coalitions realign themselves periodically, as one side gains power and starts drowing out the message of the other groups. The Republican party used to have Social Libertarians and Fiscal Conservatives as part of it's coalition, but the Religious Whackadoos pushed us out. If you're expecting perfect alignment with your views... you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Take that which is important to you, and run with it. In my case it's solid economic growth, and I only care about balanced budget, national security, healthcare and other issues in so much as they can be controlled or related to my primary issue. That's what our coalition has found as common ground, and we're running with it. Either give up the pipe dream, or buy some painkillers, cause beating your head against the wall ain't going to help. |
| #5 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 10/11/2004 10:46:50 PM |
| I'm writing Parkker in as my choice. He at least recognizes the danger that apologist theocrats represent to all of us. |
| #6 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 10/11/2004 11:07:01 PM |
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i'm voting for Parkker too :)
i'll bet he's got bigger biceps than my governator here in california. |
| #7 By 9589 (66.57.151.99) at 10/12/2004 1:26:48 AM |
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I agree Parkker. While attacked by Japan, Germany and its allies were clearly the emphasis of the war until they were vanquished. So much so, that we had to abandoned the Phillipines and all of what was then Indochina which resulted in thousands of lives lost. One of the reasons that we thought it so important to go after Hitler ironically enough was that we were afraid that he would be able to develop the first atomic bomb. Had it not been for several promient German scientist deciding to work for us and some very daring subrosa operations against the German's effort they may very well have beat us to it. Meanwhile the recent Duelfer report implies that had we not acted when we did, Hussein may very well have been able to put together a nuclear capability as the U.N. sanctions were clearly being undermined by Iraq and what the Democrats call our "allies" via the Oil for Food program.
Just in case you think that the remants of Hussein's regime and the various and sundry terrorist that he supported do not still offer a WMD threat, the Duelfer report did not answer where the WMDs went that Iraq originally had. |
| #8 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 10/12/2004 2:23:14 AM |
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#18 "8 months after Pearl Harbor, the US invaded Guadalcanal!"
Guadalcanal Island was Japanese-occupied in August 1942 by the Imperial Japanese Army. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guadalcanal) "11 months after Pearl Harbor, the US invaded Morocco and Algeria and attacked the Vichy French forces!!" Read about the reasons here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch. "Neither Morocco or Algeria or France had anything to do with Pearl Harbor. Neither did Guadalcanal." The US didn't invade any of those places claiming they had disappering weapons of mass destruction. After Pearl Harbour, the US was now involved in WW2 and hence fighting not only against the Japanese forces but also the French (at that time), German etc. Note that before any of the invasions that you mentioned, the US forces attacked the Japanese in May 1942 (Coral Sea) and a month later on Midway Island. #19 "Meanwhile the recent Duelfer report implies that had we not acted when we did, Hussein may very well have been able to put together a nuclear capability as the U.N. sanctions were clearly being undermined by Iraq and what the Democrats call our "allies" via the Oil for Food program." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9790-2004Oct5.html "The government's most definitive account of Iraq's arms programs, to be released today, will show that Saddam Hussein posed a diminishing threat at the time the United States invaded and did not possess, or have concrete plans to develop, nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, U.S. officials said yesterday. ...Charles A. Duelfer... concluded that Hussein had the desire but not the means to produce unconventional weapons that could threaten his neighbors or the West." The US administration claimed (a lot of wild things one of which was that) Iraq posed an immediate danger to the World. Based on these findings, if that's what it takes for the US admistration to flag a country as an immediate danger - there's a lot of countries for the US to "liberate". |
| #9 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 10/12/2004 3:24:45 AM |
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#20, no, but we did invest billions to build an atomic bomb that we "thought" the Germans were able to also build - despite our exploitation of Enigma, Magic, Purple, Hydra and a host of other polyalphabetic systems, which gave us an unprecedented look into enemy plans. We were wrong then in the same way, but also quite correct - the enemy intent was there, just as it is now. Left unchecked, it would have resulted in disastor for all of us - including the people living as citizens within our enemies' borders.
As a combat vet and retired soldier, I know that the people we are fighting now cannot be reasoned with - no matter how hard one tries and trust me, we did try and with every sincere effort. My God, they have weaponized their own kids - sending them amongst our young men knowing that our guys will hand out candy and sundries - then killing all of them with an IED. Dozens of our guys have died this way - despite explicit warnings. They just can't resist kids, or some connection to their own goodness. I know this first hand - the little ones allow for some momentary relief from it all - some departure from what it is. The only relevance to the article I can see is that dogma never wins against pragmatism. AMD isn't even in the same game, much less league as Intel and the war in Iraq for dern sure has a lot to do with the larger war on global terror. Looking at their <AMD> chips under an electron microscope reveals why they fail [they look like a mess of pick up sticks compared to the disciplined order seen from Intel]. |
| #10 By 135 (69.7.134.5) at 10/12/2004 5:48:42 AM |
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sphbecker - "That is complete BS; the Constitution was setup so that we would not have political parties at all. That was the intent of its writers. Unfortunately it is not possible to avoid political parties and coalitions. "
Your last statement contradicts your first. I'm not much of one for original intent, I rather look at how things actually work. Communism sounds great on paper... in practice it's a disaster largely because it ignores human nature. "I would add that strong candidates who stand up for their own beliefs and do not submit to the party-line give us more options to choose from. " I agree with that, which is why I find the Republican tactics today of strong arming their officers into supporting stupid bills to be such a disaster. That Medicare vote held open until 3am because they didn't have enough votes ought to make them question why they didn't have enough votes. Maybe.... hmm... maybe it was just a bad bill? "I think everyone’s goal in a debate is to try to convince the other side. You are not going to win anyone over by calling them a “Rich Fat Cat and Religious Wingnut.” " You are wrong. Actually not just wrong, you are disasterously wrong. First of all, my goal is not to win over everybody. My goal is to cherry pick off the independent thinkers who are tired of Rich Fat Cats and Religious Wingnuts controlling the agenda. Second of all, the notion that you will be stronger by being weak and appeasing the opposition is a disaster. Look at what has happened over the past 15 years as Democrats culled their rhetoric, backed off from calling Republicans names... and at the same time Democrats were called Traitors, Communists, America-Haters and any number of other names. Which party grew stronger? Sorry, sphbecker, but we're fighting back. Appeasement isn't an option. And I refer you to post #14. I notice that post did not give you any trouble, and you did not respond to it. If I need to start calling Republicans what they are... Goebbels loving syncophants, then I shall. Parker - How can you claim to love America, when you quite clearly hate Americans? |
| #11 By 19992 (164.214.4.62) at 10/12/2004 7:41:27 AM |
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#26 said "You are wrong. Actually not just wrong, you are disasterously wrong. First of all, my goal is not to win over everybody. My goal is to cherry pick off the independent thinkers who are tired of Rich Fat Cats and Religious Wingnuts controlling the agenda. "
Umm. That's funny. You want to get people who are tired of rich fat cats to support a gigalo and an ambulance chaser, each of whom has more material wealth that theie Replican opponents. |
| #12 By 135 (69.7.134.5) at 10/12/2004 8:02:06 AM |
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happyguy - "You want to get people who are tired of rich fat cats to support a gigalo and an ambulance chaser, each of whom has more material wealth that theie Replican opponents. "
I don't care if they have money or not. What pisses me off is government officials handing out my tax dollars to their corporate friends. Most Americans agree with my position, that using our tax dollars to help enrich wealthy Americans is generally not a good thing. |
| #13 By 135 (69.7.134.5) at 10/12/2004 8:04:55 AM |
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But let's get back to the real issue...
Parkkker who said The America-Hating TinFoil Hat Brigade. Financed by George Soros, this group is the equivalent of the American Nazi Party. They hate Amerikkka. They hate Jews. They think the Patriot Act is morally equivalent to burning Jews in ovens (even though secretly they hate jews themselves). This is the Bush=Hitler Brigade. Let's just get this straight. According to Parkkker... I am a Hitler loving Nazi I hate America I hate Jews I think the Patriot Act is equivalent to burning Jews in ovens I think GW Bush is Hitler Now ignoring the odd insults in this statement. Let's go to the root logical fallacy. If I'm a Hitler loving Nazi, and I think Bush is Hitler. Wouldn't I love Hitler? It's not just that Parkkker has no credibility... He just flat out doesn't make any sense. |
| #14 By 19992 (164.214.4.62) at 10/12/2004 8:42:52 AM |
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#28 "What pisses me off is government officials handing out my tax dollars to their corporate friends."
I wasn't aware that they had handed out your tax dollars. As far as I recall Bush offered an across the board tax cut (not sending your tax dollars to a company) and Halliburton was required to perform work for any money they recieved. So you'd rather that they send your tax dollars into a govt run health program? The type of health program that is faced with serious health issues for common people (you and me) all over the world? "Most Americans agree with my position," It depends where you are. I work with the military (I'm not a part of the military myself). and a large majority of the people I work and associate with here by far plan to vote republican. Of course I can go into DC and talk with some of the people in the ghetto and they will by and large be voting Democrat (if at all). |
| #15 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 10/12/2004 11:41:07 AM |
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Don't want to get drawn in deep on this, but...
"backed off from calling Republicans names..." At the convention, maybe, but the past couple years I have seen more hatred and vitriol coming from the Democrats than ever--the Bush-Hitler comparison as only one example. A DNC rep honestly told me the other day, "I think anyone would be better than George Bush." Really? I think Saddam Hussein has some time... why don't we give him a shot? Even if you disagree with every policy, to me, that's a mind clouded by hatred. I've listened to my Dem friends call Bush "evil" (despite being appalled when Bush used the term and denouncing the very use of the word) and all sorts of names. I'm not saying it doesn't go in the opposite direction as well, but I can't say that I've seen Dems backing off the name-calling as of late, unless you're not looking at the whole Democratic party. |
| #16 By 135 (69.7.134.5) at 10/12/2004 11:53:04 AM |
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happyguy - "I wasn't aware that they had handed out your tax dollars. "
You don't think my paying taxes qualifies me to call them my tax dollars? "So you'd rather that they send your tax dollars into a govt run health program?" At least I'd get personal benefit from that. Better than giving my tax dollars over to a private health firm that skims 30% off the top to send their executives to Barbados for vacation before doing work for me. "The type of health program that is faced with serious health issues for common people (you and me) all over the world? " So I'm over here in the UK, where they have a National health service. It's got some problems, and they're talking about them. But here's a strange little tidbit... Britain spends less money on healthcare per capita than the US. Brits are healthier than residents of the US on aggregate. So essentially you are defending a system which gives us less per dollar. Now that's certainly your right, and maybe you happen to work for an HMO or hospital or something and this is your living. But it doesn't seem very efficiently. |
| #17 By 135 (69.7.134.5) at 10/12/2004 12:01:51 PM |
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bluvg - "I'm not saying it doesn't go in the opposite direction as well, but I can't say that I've seen Dems backing off the name-calling as of late, unless you're not looking at the whole Democratic party. "
I just had to sit here with Parkker calling me a Hitler loving, Jew hating, Nazi. And you think the Democrats are full of hate? What i was talking about was the Democrats backing off during the 90's and not standing up to the hate brigades of the Republican party(Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Olsen, etc. etc.). The 2002 campaign was a big wake up call, when people realized that the Republicans would go to any lengths to smear Democrats... including calling them Communists, Osama bin Laden lovers, yada yada. This 2004 cycle has been just as bad. My god, some of the crap Bush and Cheney have been claiming in their campaigns goes beyond the pale. It's down right some of the most unAmerican hateful rhetoric I've ever seen. Before you respond and make these accusations against me... I want you to defend what Parkker is writing. As long as you continue to ignore that... it is your mind that is clouded. |
| #18 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 10/12/2004 12:45:47 PM |
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I just had to sit here with Parkker calling me a Hitler loving, Jew hating, Nazi.
Certainly I'm not defending that. Parkker obviously drinks a lot of kool aid, and not just one flavor. And you think the Democrats are full of hate? Yes, many are--the hatred of Bush. And there's no absence of smear on the Dem side, either (a vote for Bush is a vote for the draft? When it was a Dem that sponsored the bill?). And it's certainly going in both directions, like I said. My point was that the hatred and name-calling has not decreased on the Dem side; if anything, it has increased during this cycle. I'm not trying to get into a "You did this," "But you did it too!" argument; I'm just saying that, if anything, it's as bad as it has ever been from both sides. Now, back to work on monitoring our "internets" access. :) |
| #19 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 10/12/2004 12:46:08 PM |
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Sorry--double post. By the way... I wasn't really making accusations against you personally, Sodablue, but I thought you were talking about the Democratic Party as a whole, so my response was directed at that. This post was edited by bluvg on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 12:49. |
| #20 By 19992 (164.214.4.62) at 10/12/2004 12:58:33 PM |
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"So I'm over here in the UK, where they have a National health service. It's got some problems, and they're talking about them. But here's a strange little tidbit...
Britain spends less money on healthcare per capita than the US. Brits are healthier than residents of the US on aggregate. " Yeah, I've heard a bit about your healthcare system in the UK. I'll take my chances here in the US. "A DESPERATE man pulled out three teeth with rusty PLIERS because he could not find an NHS dentist. Divorced George Daulat, 47, numbed the pain by downing half a bottle of vodka. Dad-of-one George had failed to get an appointment at an emergency NHS dentist. And a friend called almost 20 NHS and private dentists in vain. George explained: “I had terrible toothache for weeks and the pain killers had stopped working. “I was lying awake at night, driven mad by the pain. In the end I simply couldn’t take any more. “I had a pair of pliers in a tool box. They were old and a bit rusty but I knew they would do the job. His home town of Scarbrough, North Yorks, is so hard-hit with the lack of NHS dentists that queues stretched hundreds of yards earlier this year when one finally opened. " Oddly enough, I've never heard of anyone in the US waiting in a line hundreds of yards long to see a dentist. Taken from the Sun. The article is archived if you want to view the original for yourself. |
| #21 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 10/12/2004 2:02:26 PM |
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"Meanwhile, my experience with AMD CPUs are that while they run faster they burn hotter and burnout long before Intel CPUs do."
Oh, paleeease.... TL |
| #22 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 10/12/2004 2:11:14 PM |
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So, are all you guys saying that Bush runs hotter than Kerry?
Or is it that Bin Laden is faster than Hitler? TL |
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