Hi, I think #1's point was [and is valid] that had web server admins [all admins for that matter], maintained their patch levels, that there would be no infected sites for people to visit - regardless of browser. While end users have a responsibility to operate their systems [just as they would cars or boats], safely and mindful of others, admins have a special responsibility to get it right and keep it right all the time. The bottom line is that if anyone is to have a publicly facing server of any kind, it has to be operated more like an airplane - against well established procedures for running it responsibly. There is too much at stake and too many dependencies within the global economy for people to be allowed to do otherwise. The truly sad part is, there is so little ability to establish, much less benefit from distinction between those doing it right and those who can't or won't. On one hand it is terribly costly to do it right, little reward for it, and no lasting penalty for doing it wrong. On the other are under-educated business and personal users who have little cnsistent information or resources available to make effective decisions about technology providers - can we rightfully expect that....? I mean a car at 120 KPH that is out of control hurts perhaps a few, or a dozen or so....a PC at the speed of light can hurt millions.
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