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Do We Get Enough In Innovation for What We Give to Microsoft? | |
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| Time: 11:16 EST/16:16 GMT | News Source: New York Times | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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It's 2004; do you know where your computer dollars are going? One can learn a lot about the computer industry by looking at the breakdown of manufacturing costs in an average desktop PC, as compiled by iSuppli Corp., a market-research firm. Excluding labor and shipping, and leaving out the costs of a monitor, keyboard or mouse, the typical desktop PC these days costs the Dells or the H-Ps of the world roughly $437 in parts. | ||
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| #1 By 9156 (192.55.140.2) at 3/9/2004 12:53:03 PM |
| I know this can be a dangerous comparison, but.... Do we get enough in innovation for what we give to car makers? What does a car cost to build, not including labor? There are about 3 car companies that "innovate" and I will be so bold as to say none of the 3 are in the US. (Innovation is not new body style) If a car costs 27K, how much of it do you think goes for innovation? There are companies like Mercedes Benz and BMW that actually innovate. For Instance HID lighting (available mid 1990's in European cars)....is it proven to be better and to give better visibility...yes...how long before US makers jump on? |
| #2 By 1845 (67.161.212.73) at 3/9/2004 4:24:39 PM |
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What's the utility of a PC with no monitor, keyboard, or mouse? How do you get that PC without the cost of labor and shipping?
It makes no sense to look at the cost of the OS (also an integral part of the PC), while ignoring other equally imporant factors. Loose the mouse, and your PC is useless to most people. Loose the labor, and you have no PC, since nobody assembled it. Loose the shipping, and the PC doesn't arrive. Loose the monitor, and the PC is useless. Etc. If we're doing a comparison, let's look at all relevant data, shall we? |
| #3 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 3/9/2004 5:56:59 PM |
| We can earn a lot about the publishing industry by looking at the breakdown of costs of having to read a blithering idiot, as compiled by IWriteCrap Corp., a market research firm for the journalist impaired. This must be the "tax" we have to pay to read something interesting on this site. Nothing "innovative" in this guy's arguments Why a student in a college English department could easily come up with even more of a waste of time. |
| #4 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 3/9/2004 6:53:38 PM |
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#1 "Do we get enough in innovation for what we give to car makers?"
I would say so yes. Unfortunately depending on which country you live in, those innovations may not be available to you for many years!! #2 "Do you honestly believe this would be the case if Pascal or Fortran, had been the language in use today?" I don't understand your point here... Pascal and Fortran ARE still in use today, not to any great extent but they are both being used, Borland's Delphi sells quite well. And the language used more than any other would still be C/C++ even with the popularity of VB, Java and C# more recently. I think you greatly underestimate the number of users that can type in "format a:" or "mkfs /dev/fd0" and I think you greatly overestimate the number of users that can format a floppy in Windows! Many Windows users have absolutely no clue on how to do this as they have never had to do it! #3 A keyboard and mouse are cheap, both can be had for a few dollars. I'm guessing that they left out the monitor because of the huge difference in cost between CRT and LCD monitors. Whilst most would love an LCD monitor, you can get a larger, much better quality CRT for 1/3rd of the price as the loss of desk space. I agree that labour and shipping should have been included if you're buying from Dell or HP etc. Whilst both of these can be ignored if you are building the computer yourself, this isn't the case when buying from Dell, HP etc. |
| #5 By 10022 (24.169.19.69) at 3/9/2004 7:07:02 PM |
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Looking at cars: I always laugh when I see new cars sitting in parking lot with their lights on. Would it really be that hard to have the car turn them off! Or headlights that turn with you .. big deal not really that inovative (seems nice though)
Lets not compare MS to anyone! NOBODY is that impressive in so many areas. Think of all the extra work that goes into making all those wizards and the help systems. Dont forget that ALL of the resource kits are free to read on the web! Product like Linux and Novell leave all the little details up to the user-- a process that get repeated milliions of extra times (well for Linux at least) and lead to needless problems Want to change a setting.. you need to make 10 changes to 10 diffrent places and verify that 5 more places see the same stuff. Thinking 30 million lines of software code is any less than any other part of a computer is very naive. But at least some of those lines actually help you get the thing actually do the things you bought it for. |
| #6 By 19992 (68.169.46.164) at 3/9/2004 8:18:29 PM |
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Because these prices are never disclosed, the figures here represent best guesses
So why bother writing the article at all if you don't have firm data? It's easy when you collect nearly 10% of the cost of every PC that's shipped Odd, earlier he said it was 10% of a system that costs $437.00, although, "these prices are never disclosed". So, does this mean that Windows costs $170.00 on my $1700.00 gaming machine and only $45.00 for a $437.00 PC? If that's the case maybe the DoJ should get in touch with Microsoft (only after getting some testimony out of good ole Lee Gomes). I'm not Microsofts biggest fan, but this article is absolute trash. Starts off with made up numbers and goes downhill from there... #6 They have cars whose headlights go out automatically. And I've seen something (either a commercial or on TechTV) about a car that does have lamps that adjust to the road. Regardless, I know of a company in Indiana called Guide Corp is "taking precision lighting a step further with its "smart" headlamp system that synchronizes beam direction with vehicle vector." http://www.guidecorp.com/ns/guide_fs.htm This post was edited by happyguy on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 20:20. |
| #7 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 3/9/2004 10:32:07 PM |
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#7 BMW (amongst others) has both automatic (auto on and off) and adaptive headlights to point based on where you are heading, giving you the ability to "see around corners".
#8 So you weren't able to clarify your point then! |
| #8 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 3/10/2004 2:02:55 PM |
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This is really interesting...
This story has prompted the longest posts from the largest number of screen names I've never seen before than any other story I've read on ActiveWin. Other than BobSmith and Kabuki. Are you guys here via a Google Hit or something ? TL |
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