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| Time: 16:29 EST/21:29 GMT | News Source: Microsoft | Posted By: Jonathan Tigner | ||
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Microsoft is currently in the early stages of building the next version of Windows, codenamed "Longhorn." It is being designed to provide the foundation for a new industry wave of innovation—ultimately enabling businesses to use technology more effectively, with far fewer barriers, while allowing customers to better realize the full benefits of technology in their everyday lives. Microsoft Windows XP is the first step towards the realization of a model of computing designed around end-to-end experiences that improve the productivity and decision-making abilities of organizations while informing and entertaining our customers at home. "Longhorn" will be the next step in this new wave as personal computing becomes a powerful asset in the everyday lives of millions of people worldwide. As we design "Longhorn," Microsoft is listening carefully to customers, partners and developers all over the world to understand the challenges they face and to design a product to address the changing needs of our customers and the industry. | ||
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| #1 By 8556 (12.217.169.94) at 10/27/2003 5:21:58 PM |
| We've heard it all before. Bill Gates told the public in 1994 that Windows 95 would be a pure 32-bit OS and also be crash-free. Blah, blah. |
| #2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/27/2003 6:10:58 PM |
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bobsireno - So we should just give up and go dig a hole in the back yard and live like worms?
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| #3 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 10/27/2003 8:42:01 PM |
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#2, you give the other bobs around here a bad name.
If you have specific gripes about Longhorn, visit http://longhornblogs.com/scobleizer/posts/345.aspx and share them. If you just want to bitch and moan though, go somewhere and do it quietly where the rest of us can't hear you. |
| #4 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 10/28/2003 12:22:00 AM |
| #11 I'm curious.... what do you need a 64-bit laptop for? Do you have a need for a laptop with more than 4GB RAM? |
| #5 By 135 (208.186.90.91) at 10/28/2003 1:57:54 AM |
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steveston - "And all i have is this rock-solid, brushed-metal UNIX fortress known as Mac OS X Panther RIGHT NOW. "
I'm sorry that you are forced to use Unix. |
| #6 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 3:43:55 AM |
| #13 - that isn't aero - thats just the currently ugly GUI that Longhorn's more "public" releases are seeing. |
| #7 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 3:45:22 AM |
| #11 - It's no more buggy that Windows - so yet again what is your narrowminded point? |
| #8 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 3:47:43 AM |
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#9 - nope it wasn't aero - it showed parts that should become aero, but it was a commercial style demo, thus not showing aero properly but giving the media something to talk about. What I really want to see is Aero really in action, might be a while.
It should really be very hard for anyone to say that Longhorn looks better than anything else out there (and I'm not being Parker style ass and spouting rubbish) simply because all we've really seen is what looks like an MSN Explorer style (Especially IE) intergrated into Windows XP, but now having a grayer look - to me it's certainly a work in progress, because right now it looks pretty dredful. This post was edited by Byron_Hinson[AW] on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 03:50. |
| #9 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 3:55:45 AM |
| #15 - instead of spouting rubbish about an OS you seem to know little about - how about reading the proper reviews of Panther which clearly state that everyone is surprised it was classed as an incremental update, perhaps instead of continually carrying on saying mine is better than yours (thats aimed at everyone), enjoy what you have no instead of talking about something not out for 2 more years |
| #10 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/28/2003 10:39:59 AM |
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Byron - "perhaps instead of continually carrying on saying mine is better than yours (thats aimed at everyone), enjoy what you have no instead of talking about something not out for 2 more years "
I'm not the one preaching about how great the Macintosh is trying to start arguments. |
| #11 By 61 (131.247.103.150) at 10/28/2003 11:06:20 AM |
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Being that Aero is disabled in the PDC build, you can't exactly take screenshots of the Aero UI. Not exactly that hard of a concept to grasp.
How have they been caught completely off guard by digital music? The "bloodbath" of security issues have ALL been fixed before anything was released into the wild, and as such, you CAN NOT blame Microsoft for someone's inability to patch their own system, especially with things like automatic update. Yes, in a way they are playing catch up, but that is what happens in the software industry. Apple is also playing catch up, it's just not on the more flashy things that they are catching up on. However, Microsoft is also going to surpass OSX development with Longhorn, unless they speed up the development even more. WinFS is not just of marginal interest to the average user... in fact, the average user is WHO it is targeting. The ability to say "Ok, I want my pictures from vacation X" and it shows you those pictures rather than having to remember filenames and directories is the WHOLE point of it. It gives the user the ability to obtain their data more easily. There is more new to the OS than just Aero and WinFS... both of which, however, are going to be great features to the OS. |
| #12 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 12:00:55 PM |
| #25 - Actually I agree with you, he is spouting some, but there are points he is making that are valid (Like the fact Aero hasn't been properly shown, yet you all love it without seeing it), like some others are doing too - but most of you are telling him that. My backup here is for the nonsense others are spouting too. 75% of most comments are junk half the time on both Mac and Window "fans" side's of the fence. |
| #13 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 1:40:35 PM |
| #25 - nah, only about steveston also being a troll |
| #14 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 1:43:50 PM |
| I'm an "avid" mac user Stewarts - doesn't mean i don't know about Windows (considering I created this site, I hope i know a bit about it). I don't agree with Stevestons points about Microsoft falling behind because of Xbox etc - but least he was right about the Smartphone being a waste of time. As for PocketPC's and iPod's, i'm not sure what this argument is about - they are two completly different products which are both doing well right now in completly different markets. |
| #15 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 2:16:50 PM |
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#32 - To me smartphone is a waste of time to the majority of phone users who won't have any interest in it, sure perhaps it will have a market for some buisiness people, but currently (as sales are showing) it isn't doing as well as hoped.
iPod - differences here is that it has style, well built, great playback, high quality components, first to link with a music store, is now a fashion item (shame). Funny thing here is that few people think about the fact that the ipod has been around for a long time and the new one everyone talks about is 3rd gen - its far better (as any users of MP3 players will tell you) than any other MP3 player on the market. No one mentioned differences, the only difference it really has that matter is that it is the best on the market in its league. As for a Pocket PC - as Apple has constantly said, they have no plans for a PDA like an PocketPC, no plans for a TabletPC because they don't think there is a good market for them, which I can understand as I'd much prefer a good laptop over a TabletPC anytime. |
| #16 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 2:19:50 PM |
| #33 - you've confused Laptop market share for full PC market share - there was a figure a month or so ago that showed Apple had a much larger share of the laptop market than they do desktop PC's. |
| #17 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 10/28/2003 2:24:38 PM |
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"It is being designed to provide the foundation for a new industry wave of innovation—ultimately enabling businesses to use technology more effectively, with far fewer barriers, while allowing customers to better realize the full benefits of technology in their everyday lives."
Wow, ok :) Must have hired West Wing writers for that one :) TL |
| #18 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 10/28/2003 2:30:39 PM |
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#8,
Mistubishi, I believe. :) TL |
| #19 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 10/28/2003 2:33:13 PM |
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#9,
They can't show Aero yet. Apple hasn't finishted it. LOL I crack myself up! Sorry, I couldn't resist :) TL |
| #20 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 3:21:55 PM |
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#40 - its the first proper post here thats actually talked about the important stuff!
#41 - ahh yet again with the rubbish. Installed fine here, works perfectly, just like for the majority of other installers, why would they need to rush release anything for the PDC, I think that'll be the last thing in there mind when launching an OS. Judging the percentage of problems on posts in support forums for the overall view of how an operating systems launch has gone? Yeah go Parker logic. Let's ignore the facts once more or maybe lets go the parker route and check the Windows or Linux support groups and then view how many people are happy with those operating systems. |
| #21 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/28/2003 3:23:59 PM |
| #42 - running out of ideas parker? Why not talk about stuff that matters - or have you forgotten that every new OS has application problems, anyone with sense knew there would be. Geez, get back under the bridge. |
| #22 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/28/2003 4:33:01 PM |
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WinFS looks interesting. What's WinFX? This new API to replace win32. What's that mean to me as a .NET developer?
People... Please don't feed the trolls. If a Mac person wants to come here and make himself feel superior by insulting and demeaning other products on the market, just ignore them. |
| #23 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 10/28/2003 7:19:51 PM |
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"As for 2006 being the ship date for Longhorn, if it is this polished now, it will be out by next year."
It's as polished as it is because it doesn't include Aero, most of Avalon, most of WinFS, and hardly any of WinFX (which is really just a grab bag term for Win32, MFC, Avalon, Indigo, the CLR, and any new porgramming APIs). If it comes out next year, it will have delivered on ZERO of its PROMISES. |
| #24 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 10/28/2003 8:42:38 PM |
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Will, I would say you muddled the Aero and Avalon definitions quite a bit.
Aero is the GUI of Longhorn (which is not to say the look-and-feel/theme (even though it is becoming synonymous with the anticipated final, default look of Longhorn) but rather the graphics subsystem/engine; comparable to Quartz). And Avalon is an API set to develop the presentation layer of applications. You may have meant this, but: "Avalon is the technology and Aero is the use of Avalon to create the interface of Windows Longhorn" hardly seems like a "clarifying" statement. This post was edited by sodajerk on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 20:43. |
| #25 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 10/29/2003 12:19:39 AM |
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#45 - keep going, I'm sure you can come up with more, come on man. You seem to know a lot more about an Operating system you don't use compared to those that do so it shouldn't be much trouble.
But then again what exactly is your point? That MacOS 10.3 has some compatibility problems, well done parker - it does, don't think you find anyone using it who disagrees, but the difference here being that most of the stuff gets an update within a week or two of the OS launch and users were already told of those problems...and guess what, just like they are with new Windows OS releases, way to go parker. As for the firewire problem, i agree its a bad problem, not happening for a lot of users, but happening for others - again something that happens with new OS releases as bugs always crop up, but then again I don't remember saying any OS was bug free. If you want a larger list of MacOS 10.3 bugs and errors I'll send you a link with about 150, maybe that will help your moaning and bitching around the web. |
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